Talk:Marseille

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Tagging and blanking, May 2013[edit]

Tagging the whole article and blanking various sections of long standingis not a constructive way of editing this article. The film section has been there for a while and the gallery is a useful way of illustrating various aspects of Marseille and its 2600 year past. That considerable age is something unique to certain European cities, particularly settlements like Marseille that date back to classical antiquity or before that (cf the iron age remains mentioned in the article near the main railway station). Material was removed and a tag added with little more justification than WP:IDONTLIKETHAT. I don't see how the tagging was justified. Please could TheRedPenofDoom explain why they did this. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 10:20, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Even after the "blanking" the page was WP:TOOLONG.
No one thinks an important thing to know about a city is "what films were made there?" particularly when supported solely by a single non notable book by a non notable author making the purely promotional claim "An account of films up to 2007 can be found in the book by the German writer Daniel Winkler"
The excessive images were removed Per WP:GALLERIES - "Images in a gallery should be carefully selected, avoiding similar or repetitive images, " "if, due to its content, such a gallery would only lend itself to a title along the lines of "Gallery" or "Images of [insert article title]", as opposed to a more descriptive title, the gallery should either be revamped" etc" many of the images are duplicative of other images in the gallery or elsewhere in the article.
and the complete rewrite tag was placed because the article is essentially unreadable hodgepodge of stat charts, lists and galleries of anything remotely related to Marseille.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

marseille 6000BC LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL It's a city founded by Romain and before it was just a greek counter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.249.171.204 (talk) 22:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

  • The gallery has been there for a long time. It illustrates items in the text, which is how it was originally created. It would be too difficult to have the images in the relevant part of text, because of clutter. For example the water features at the Palais Longchamps. Additionally many new articles have been created that feed into this article. (I helped create Porte d'Aix, La Vieille Charité, Great Plague of Marseille, etc.) All articles on French cities are rather like this one. The article on Toulouse is much worse, with virtually no history. The French WP article was originally quite similar to this one (it was used as a guide for improving and sourcing this article some time back). Since then the French have devised a very non-Anglo-Saxon approach, with a breakdown into sections which could not possibly be translated and would read look WP:OR in English. An article on the second largest city in France will always be a collection of disparate facts. There is no way to create a uniform way of writing. The main sources will almost invariably be in French, for example for the history. Individual sections (e.g. economy or immigration) are harder to source. Improvements to individual sections are the way to go. Before criticizing this article, please look at Toulouse, Nice, Avignon, Montpellier or Lyon. Unsurprisingly they are all rather the same. Mathsci (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
"its been here a long time" and "other articles are also difficult to read" and "sources are in French" are not rational reasons to override policies and creating readable coherent articles. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:17, 19 May 2013 (UTC)