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Husbands?[edit]

Former entry Robert Chen points to a Taiwanese-born musician (Chén Mùróng), who is not the same person as the Shanghai-born Chinese-Swiss conductor Liang-Sheng Chen (born 1933), as is cited in the source provided. Changes were made following cross-referencing. 90.244.201.211 (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2014 (UTC) [1] [2]

Can anyone cite a source for Argerich and her husbands or marriages? I have heard that she wasn't married to Dutoit but did live with him. (I have no evidence one way or the other.) Lpgeffen

I don't think information about her marriages belongs in the section titled "Professional career." Jbergerot 18:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Have you doublechecked the husbands-info (not that I think that part is important when it comes to a person's music making, but I'm asking just for accuracy's sake). My understanding from friends has long been that she was married to Chen and to Dutoit, but not to Kovacevich (or Bishop as he was known then). Maybe they changed that later without telling many or are counting common-law status - Atraveler 23:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Jewish?[edit]

Is Argerich really Jewish? The information has been added by an anonimous user. --Missmarple 13:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I actually dubt it. Her lastmame sounds Slavic (Argerić, or Arherić), probably Croatian. But that's just espectulation. Mariano(t/c) 08:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah I've read her say she was of jewish origin once - I think it was in the bbc music magazine. But I can't find anything at all in google now either? Avaya1 17:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Then it is actually not true, or in the worse case simply not a notable fact. Mariano(t/c) 10:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Then her name is pronounced like a Polish or Russian Argerich (Argerič) and not a German Argerich? —  $PЯINGrαgђ  18:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
She has called herself Jewish on several occasions, signing a protest once as "Martha Argerich, Jewish pianist". Her father, by all accounts, was not. Her mother's maiden name was Heller, which is typically Ashkenazi Jewish. I don't think there is any question that her matrilineal ancestry was Jewish and, in the Jewish faith, that makes one Jewish. 141.211.31.183 (talk) 02:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Grazzidad


There is no question whatsoever that the surname Argerich is a Spanish surname from Catalonia, and an old and well-known one in Argentina, as in Cosme Argerich. As for the surname Heller, it is the most common sort of German surname. It is highly unlikely that Perón would have done her any favours if she were Jewish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.206.122.30 (talk) 19:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes she is Jewish. See her Facebook page. She wrote there that she is Jewish.5.202.128.47 (talk) 05:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
What's the link to her facebook page? And how do we know it's really here, and not a fan?THD3 (talk) 12:28, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Argerich (Eastern Catalan: [ərʒəˈɾik], Western Catalan: [aɾdʒeˈɾik, aɾʒeˈɾik]; modern spelling Argeric) is a noble Catalan surname from Germanic origin, also common in Argentina: <refTrevirano (talk) 06:51, 21 May 2014 (UTC)> Argerich - Wikipedia</ref>

Chopin Etude in C Major, Op. 10 No. 1[edit]

Ever since reading this article, I still haven't fully understood:

  1. why (or in what ways) Martha Argerich's playing of the first etude (Op. 10 No. 1) was characterized as "daring"; and
  2. why another pianist (I think it was Rubenstein) was said to have refused to play this etude on the concert stage.

Any explanations or clarifications for these? --- Tito Pao 21:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Rubinstein found etude 1 op 10 impossible to play. That is why he didnt play it on stage

Argerich[edit]

The last name Argerich is of catalan origin.

Navaniglia 16:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Needs a more recent photo if possible. Xiecfox 17:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


Actually, the origin of the Argerich name is uncertain. In her interview to Dean Elder (in his book "Pianists at Play"), Martha Argerich says that she herself is not sure whether the name is Catalonian or Croatian. MUSIKVEREIN, 14:45, 17 August, 2007


There are now 250 Argerich living in Catalonia, Spain. 45 Argerich went to Argentina from Spain in the 19th and 20th centuries.

http://www.ine.es/fapel/FAPEL.INICIO and http://www.cemla.com/busqueda.html# —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.152.134.209 (talk) 20:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a page who talks about Argerich family in Argentina. Francisco de Argerich, born in (Asteró, Urgel, Catalonia, Spain) married in Buenos Aires in 1757 with Maria Josefa del Castillo. Here starts a family of Argerich living in Argentina.

http://www.genealogiadelujan.com.ar/GENEALOGIAS/wc09/wc09_253.html

There is no question whatsoever that the surname Argerich is a Spanish surname from Catalonia, and an old and well-known one in Argentina, as in Cosme Argerich.

Spaniards always say everyone is from some part of Spain or of Spanish ancestry. Very active in giving unsourced, unverifiable claims are catalonians, who specially seem to enjoy claiming Catalan ancestries, from Walt Disney to Argerich. Whatever... --Karljoos (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

@Karljoos. Argerich's surname is also typically Spanish and verified than Garcia, although much less common (Distribution of the name "Argerich" in Spain http://www.miparentela.com/mapas/detalles/argerich.html). People like you ignore this, and can make innocently a stupid comparison with Disney, which surname, of course, was not Spanish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.226.56.127 (talk) 15:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but you can't fool me. I can speak enough Spanish to understand that Argerich is the 11362nd most common surname in Spain. Only 260 Spaniards have Argerich as surname. Based on info provided on the same website you mentioned, there're in Spain 1.381 Wilsons and it's the 3076th most common surname in Spain... someone using your same logic could say that Wilson is a Spanish surname. The origin of Argerich's surname is irrelevant here. It's relevant for an article about the surname "Argerich". --Karljoos (talk) 19:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Your reference to Wilson is strange. Everyone knows that Wilson is a surname of British origin. Who ignores has only to compare the number of Wilsons in Spain and Britain to realize that the cradle of Wilsons is in Britain. The same for the surname Garcia, shared by 31.015 people in Great Britain (1,349,883 in Spain). The same for Argerich. Argerich's name is Catalan, as the ancestor who gave his name so rare and barbarous to argentinian ears accustomed to Castilian, so it sounds Germanic or Slavic. But it does not exist in Germany, it does not exist in Croatia, see the white pages of Germany or Croatia to be convinced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.226.56.127 (talk) 00:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm just using your logic and your reference (the website you gave as reference of Argerich being a Catalonian/Spanish surname). And please, sign your comments.--Karljoos (talk) 04:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Argerich's surname is from Catalonia. Roughly similar to March, Linch, Domenech, Llach, Puch, Drach (all catalan surnames)--Trevirano (talk) 01:47, 22 May 2014 (UTC).




Freire[edit]

As it stands, the article says "Argerich has married three times. [Husbands and children listed.] One of Argerich's closest friends is the Brazilian pianist Nelson Freire, with whom she frequently appears in duo-piano recitals."

If this appeared in a British newspaper, an educated reader would surmise that he was intended to infer a relationship of a close kind between Argerich and Freire. Is that the intention? If it is, can the assertion be sourced? If not, can the Feire sentence be disconnected from the paragraph about husbands and offspring? David Colver 19:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

No, that wasn't the intention. For the avoidance of doubt, I moved the sentence to a separate paragraph. MUSIKVEREIN 18:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

New Link[edit]

I thought that it was important that a link be added to provide users with an actual video of Argerich playing. It features Liszt's first piano concerto, in E-flat. ~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 21:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, well, the video has been removed, anyway. Does anyone else have good-quality videos of Ms. Argerich? ~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 21:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Performance prohibition?[edit]

It's my understanding Martha Argerich is or was prohibited from performing in the United States due to her having performed in a nation or nations of which the United States federal government either did not approve or presently does not approve. I further recall her Wikipedia article once contained details of this performance prohibition. No such information appears here now.

In the event, is (or was) there a prohibition on Argerich performing in the United States? If so doesn't the absence of a paragraph describing that situation fly in the face of accuracy, fairness and thoroughness? I am not conversant with the whys and wherefores of such policy decisions as emanate from within the Beltway, else I'd submit a paragraph myself (assuming my recollections are valid).

Thank you for either confirming or disproving the artistic-censorship scenario to which I've alluded.

MisterCat (talk) 03:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

There is absolutely no evidence for your assertion.THD3 (talk) 09:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)