Talk:Mary Chapin Carpenter

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POV?[edit]

Just curious about the use of the phrase "highly successful" when the likes of Bob Dylan are merely songwriters and performers. As a European I must confess to never having heard of Ms Carpenter, and was curious how she could be "highly successful" if you see what I mean. LeeG 17:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm a European too, and I've been a fan of her for years. Her records has sold extremely well in the US, but well in Europe too. So I don't think that is an unfair characteristic. However, the article needs a lot of work to catch up with those on other artists. I hope someone is willing to work on it. Is there some template we can put on it to make it known that it could use some work? Madman332 15:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Just to add one more comment on the subject: I would refer to someone like Bob Dylan as a legend, icon or superstar. I definitely think "highly successful" is appropriate for MCC.

LeeG, no I don't see what you mean. Surely an artist who has sold something like 15 mill. albums and received several music industry awards is highly successful? In any case, is it not somewhat arrogant to argue that just because you have not heard about someome that person cannot possibly be "highly succesful in his or her field"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.157.224.13 (talk) 04:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

"Expert" tag[edit]

I placed the tag in response to a request on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Country Music that the article be improved.--WilliamThweatt 16:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Warren Zevon / Werewolves of London[edit]

Does anybody else think that Mary Chapin Carpenter's "Shut Up and Kiss Me" has a strong resemblance to Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London"? I think the songs are almost identical. -- Anonymous

I don't know if I've ever made that connection, but it's definitely there. "Werewolves" and "Shut Up" both use a V, IV, I chord progression in the verse. Of course, they are also similar in style (instrument choice, tempo, etcetera). Moreover, each song has a five-syllable title which also serves as a spoken "catch phrase" in the lyrics.

But I don't think this is any big secret... And I can't recall if she's ever cited him, but I suspect Carpenter is probably pretty fond of Zevon's music and might even cite him as an influence. I would also point out that she modifies the chord progression in the chorus to IV, V, I whereas Zevon just plows ahead relentlessly with V, IV, I throughout the whole song. Both approaches sound good to me; in fact, these are both among my favorite songs. And in general, V, IV, I is probably one of the most obvious and common chord progressions out there. I'm sure someone can come up with bunches of songs that use it.

It's really just a simple progression that's good for jamming out, kind of like the 8-bar blues progression, or the I, vi, ii, V progression that you hear in so much early rock. --Beau Wilkinson

(EDIT:Examples of the V-IV-I progression are the Ring Of Fire chorus (1962), Love Me Do chorus (1964), Magic Carpet Ride verse (1969), Maggie Mae verse (1971), Sweet Home Alabama verse (1974), and I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For chorus (1987 source:http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/moneychords/rockI-IV-Vprogression.html ).

Photo[edit]

Is the other person in the photo notable? If not, it should probably be cropped or replaced with a photo of the subject by herself. Mooveeguy 21:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Overall Changes[edit]

I wanted to explain my changes made Oct. 13 to the MCC article. I followed the organization of the Shawn Colvin article to include headings, added a few details and tried to clean up some of the text. I contributed earlier to this article, but agree that it needed and still needs work. The first picture should be changed, but I can't figure out how to upload an image in the editing process. Perhaps the current top photo could be moved below to the "Personal life and Activism" section, although it might be misleading (i.e. someone might think it's her husband), but the caption should clear it up.--Loosely Wired on Oct. 13, 2006 at 15:58 CET (an American MCC fan in Europe, who hasn't heard much mention of her here).

Trivia[edit]

Someone added a bit to the career section which seemed much more appropriate to me as a trivia item, so I placed it under a new category by that name.

Name (orthography)[edit]

She formerly used a hyphen in her name: Mary-Chapin Carpenter, but now eschews the hyphen: Mary Chapin Carpenter. This probably warrants mention, as it is relevant to the technicality of what her name really is (was?). Her reasons for changing may also deserve mention, although I can't provide any authoritative information about it. According to unverified web sources, she added the hyphen in the 1980s, and deleted it in 1994 at the request of her record company. Her friends call her "Mary Chapin" rather than "Mary". Her father is Chapin Carpenter.

I recall reading years ago (perhaps in an article in The New York Times) that her friends called her 'Chapin' as she felt 'Mary' was plain or square.
I imagine she added the hyphen to avoid the assumption that 'Chapin' is part of her surname. --anon. 141.157.211.168 (talk) 03:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation[edit]

Hi, does anyone know how to pronounce her middle name? I like her music, but I've never heard her name being pronounced. Does it rhyme with French "lapin"? --Kjoonlee 20:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Phonetically it is pronounced something like CHAY - pin. It is not typically pronounced as a French word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.61.136 (talk) 22:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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Harry Chapin - any relation?[edit]

I ask because 'Chapin' is an unusual name. I haven't heard it anywhere except with reference to these two singers. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 04:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Columnist? Added source and end date[edit]

The article currently states "Mary Chapin Carpenter has been the author of a biweekly column in the Washington Times since December 2008 in which she discusses a variety of topics related to music and politics." I looked in the WT and saw no columns since March of this year, so I added the reference to her WT story page and changed it to end in March 2009. Smontg2 (talk) 20:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

References[edit]

I don't know how to edit the References section. But I think that the "Boston Globe" link should be to the Boston Globe's web site (http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/) rather than the Boston Globe page on Wikipedia. And I think that every reference to an article should include a link to the article, and not just a link to the publication in which the article was found. Maybe someone who knows how to edit references could help with this. Thanks. Sharon Leigh Wilson (talk) 21:46, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Citations often (but not always) include wikilinks to articles on the publication, publishers or authors, so that's not really a problem. Having a link to an online source is not necessarily required to fulfil Wikipedia:Verifiability. If the source is only available online, then we would need a url to the original. If it's available in the offline version of a paper, then a link can be provided as a courtesy, but it's not a requirement. However, there should be enough information about the source material that a reader can easily go and look it up for themselves. In this case, there is a date and article title, it should be possible to find the article although ideally there should be either a url, or a page number for the offline edition.
As for actually editing the reference, sometimes it's hard to track them down in the text, but if you look for where it first appears, that's often where it is. In this case, the citation information is in the first paragraph of the "Continued 1990s success" section.--BelovedFreak 08:33, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

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Question about content of "2000's" section[edit]

The text here refers to "the agreement with the Dixie Chicks ("On With the Song")," but there is no previous reference to the Dixie Chicks. Perhaps it was edited out. Could one of this page's editors explain what the "agreement with the Dixie Chicks" refers to. Thanks.

Mostlyw (talk) 13:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)