Talk:Mate (beverage)

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Mate / maté[edit]

I see you undid my change to the Mate (beverage) page, when I said that "maté" is only considered a correct spelling in English; you said, when undoing it, that it's also a valid spelling in other languages. Could you please confirm if that's really the case, and if so which languages you are referring to? I read a good part of the discussions about this spelling issue (in both that article's talk page and Yerba mate's) and couldn't find a reference to anything like that (granted, though, I didn't read fully through every single discussion). I was also further surprised by your change because in the above-mentioned discussions the contributions by you which I saw would indicate that, if anything, you'd be more willing to eliminate the "maté" spelling all together :)

Thanks! --Cotoco (talk) 12:04, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes I can.
And the slight variant: lt:Matė and I would still like to eliminate the incorrect spelling and keep the correct transliteration. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


Thanks! --Cotoco (talk) 03:45, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I have been drinking mate for a while now, and I have a problem with how exhaustive the process comes off as being. , whoever wrote all the BS preparation really went overboard to the point where somebody might think that it's a complicated process when in reality it is not at all. The whole preparation and brewing section could be replaced by, put some yerba in the gourd, pour hot (but not boiling water) drink with provided bombilla. All the BS about how to drink it in groups, it's just too detailed unnecessarily. I've shown the article to longtime native mate drinkers, and the ideas expressed in the article seem trivial even to them. I don't know how to correct the article to reflect that, as it is well written by somebody who obviously cares about the subject (a little too much). It's almost like as if an alien species took meticulous notes about how to do something very simple like making a tea. I bet this was written by an american sociology student looking to justify their trip to Argentina taking something simple and explaining the heck out of it to impress an american professor. It's harmless unless somebody comes to this page after buying some yerba and wondering how to prepare it, and being turned off. anyhow . . . I'll try to make an edit that reflects my point of view . . Paul

"Mate" is an English word, rhymes with "bait," means lots of things, none of them beverage. Hence, it is ambiguous and confusing every time the "mate" spelling is used without "yerba." The spelling "maté" causes no ambiguity problems in English (it might if used in the Spanish Wikipedia, but so what)? Here, in English, "mate" is ambiguous and leads to mispronunciation, and maté is unambiguous. The maté spelling prompts English speakers to pronounce the word in a manner similar to its correct pronunciation in Spanish. The word should therefore be spelled maté everywhere the full "yerba maté" phrase is not used, and especially in the article title. However if not that, then use the full name, yerba mate, every time. "Yerba mate" can be argued as a way to spell yerba maté, while "mate" by itself just spells the unrelated English word pronounced as "mait," making the article a jarring read to those who know the correct pronunciation, and creating a source of sad but comical pronunciation errors by readers who do not. Ocdnctx (talk) 23:31, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Pipore call it Yerba Mate. I thought I was buying cheap coffee. If you are from the U.S. and thinking of trying this out it sort of is like...well you need to acquire a taste for this...Easeltine (talk) 18:07, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Mate in Chile[edit]

I'm from Chile and for a long time I only saw my grandparents (from the countryfield, center-south of Chile) drinking mate, but it's always been a -let me put it this way- latent drink. I mean with this that sometimes people go crazy over mate for a couple of years and then it goes back to normal. Up to 3 or 4 years ago Mate was included in the system for measuring inflation in food (now it's not), but currently many people are using it (and not just in the South of the country, there's been a rise in drinking in the North of the country) because it is like having an energy drink without the sugar, chemicals and, of course, the price. I didn't dare to change the article, but you might want to include Chile in the list of countries that drink mate, and not like it says on the article 'to a lesser extent'. Some of my friends -who are not really good at drinking tea, coffee or anything- don't drink mate, but the vast majority of them do. Regards. 21:52, 29 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.163.192.4 (talk)

Most of the listed countries are supported in the article. Is there any support that it's commonly consumed there? Individual consumption is immaterial and would result in countries such as the United States and Canada being added to the list. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:21, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Mate as an ice tea[edit]

The article barely mentions the fact that mate is widely consumed as an ice tea in Brazil, especially in Rio de Janeiro. It is sold by beach vendors and at various snack bars across the area, being a real icon of the city. Actually, many people have never tried "chimarrão" in the area. I added a paragraph to the text, with a reliable source. Jgsodre (talk) 18:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

That's because there's a different article on that subject: tereré. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:03, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I had never heard of tereré before checking this article. It is probably similar to the ice tea concept we have in Southwestern Brazil, especially in Rio, but not exactly equivalent. For instance, the ice tea form I mentioned is the same as of any other ice tea...you make the tea, filter it, take it to the fridge and then serve it in a glass (if it's artisinal). The tereré article is interesting, but I think it's a more specific beverage or mate tradition. Anyway, I think the paragraph mentioning the beach culture is enough to give an idea of the variation I mentioned. Jgsodre (talk) 02:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)