Talk:Matt Cardle

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Many in Horror or When We Collide?[edit]

A lot of confusion has been raised about exact title. Those who changed it to When We Collide have not provided adequate explanation to change, if any, of the title of the song. Is it there aversion to the word "horror" perhaps? werldwayd (talk) 23:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Settled as the single cover clearly says "when We Collide" werldwayd (talk) 01:52, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes it does, and it's "Many of Horror" :-) AnemoneProjectors 01:54, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Exact date of birth[edit]

It is very strange that until now we haven't come up with the actual date of birth of Cardle other than that he is 27. Any help would be appreciated. werldwayd (talk) 23:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

A search of the transcriptions of the relevant birth indexes at Ancestry.co.uk reveals only one Matt Cardle born in England or Wales during the relevant period ("England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005"). His birth was registered in the June quarter of 1983 (i.e., April to June) in the registration district of Southampton. So much for the story that he was Essex-born! His full name was given as Matthew Sheridan Cardle. Other than the fact that this was the only Matt Cardle registered in England and Wales during the relevant period, I have further corroboration that the birth record is the correct one. The record gives his mother's maiden name as Horner. There was only one marriage of a Horner to a Cardle registered in England and Wales during the same period, and that was the marriage of a David A. Cardle to a Jennifer C. Horner in the registration district of Hastings and Rother, in Sussex, in the June quarter of 1978. Googling for news articles about Matt (e.g., this one) quickly reveals that his parents are indeed named David and Jennifer. Since my finding of his birth in Hampshire is "original research", I can't legitimately add it to his article, but I can remove the false claim about his Essex birth. -- Oliver P. (talk) 23:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
We can safely add 1983 as he was already quoted as 27 years old. I was just puzzled if it was 1983 or 1982 or 1984. I am making the change werldwayd (talk) 00:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Just wondered how looking up a birth record is considered original research. I do it all the time for people born after 1984 (since I no longer pay for any genealogy websites, that's the only free search I've worked out how to get)... AnemoneProjectors 01:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
If his birth was registered in the second quarter of 1983, he would have been born between February and June of that year; births have to be registered no more than six weeks after the event. Jim Michael (talk) 08:22, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
That assumes that the law was complied with. My Grandmother was registered several years after her birth.
If anyone here has looked up his birth record at the Public Records Office then it can be considered verified, this would not be original research. (talk) 09:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

It's in his autobiography, I've added it. AnemoneProjectors 13:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

When did Cardle start in music?[edit]

I distinctly remember during the programme that he worked for years to make into record business before reaching X Factor. So since when has Matt Cardle been singing as this info is needed for infobox (now it says 2009-present which I suspect is not very accurate). The info is needed for Early career section as well. werldwayd (talk) 01:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC) With Matt being in Darwyn in 2007 we know he must of been active then, plus it should be added as an associated act. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vtxvtx (talkcontribs) 18:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Voting[edit]

Can we add in somewhere that Matt was number one in voting from the second week onwards? Evidence in this video, towards the end: http://xfactor.itv.com/2010/videos/video/watch_backstage-after-the-results_item_201717.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by FallenSilver (talkcontribs) 13:37, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

We have now incorporated that important and significant fact in the X Factor section in his page. Thanks for pointing that out in the discussion page. werldwayd (talk) 16:10, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Seven Summers and Seven Summers album[edit]

While I'm sure these guys will get downloaded in droves now Matt is a megastar, until then can we refrain from being an advertising vehicle for the band? I've removed a bunch of youtube/myspace links to so-called "hits" and it's highly tempting to remove the "videos" section too which relates to this band until the appearances actually become notable. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Can a section be added about darwyn as well? Darwyn was the band he was in previously. Not to advertise, but there just isnt any info here about them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aphatboy (talkcontribs) 13:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

There is information about them, in the early life section. AnemoneProjectors 15:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Move[edit]

When did he move from Hampshire to Essex? Jim Michael (talk) 20:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Matt Cardle template[edit]

I created a template for Matt Cardle to go on the bottom of the page. Hope you find it useful. Migitgem2009 (talk) 13:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's that useful yet because he's only got one single and featured on one other. It'll be more useful when he releases his third single. AnemoneProjectors 13:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Good point but at least it's there now and it doesn't need to be made later. Migitgem2009 (talk) 14:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Now a free image has been found can I suggest it be cropped so we can actually see Mr Cardle? AnemoneProjectors 15:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, agreed. Couldn't see where he was in it until I enlarged it. Cropped now.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 13:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Vocal ability and influences[edit]

This section was removed due to apparently being unverifiable, all sources given clearly backed up all statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carfoil (talkcontribs) 22:09, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Listing the "Influence" section is overly promotional. Being a fan is not notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.175.225.204 (talk) 12:38, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Lead section[edit]

This was extended as suggested at the top of the page, all information was verified by sources, no reason for it to be removed. Source given for record sales was Music Week which is a reliable source for music sales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carfoil (talkcontribs) 22:11, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 February 2013[edit]

Please remove "On 15 November 2012 Cardle appeared at the Christmas light switch-on at Merseyway Shopping Centre in Stockport, where he was second-billed to the pop group Steps." as it has no releveance to the section and has clearly been added as a gibe. Also the source doesn't say he was second billed.

Please change lead section to: Matthew Sheridan "Matt" Cardle (born 15 April 1983)[1] is an English singer-songwriter who won the seventh series of The X Factor in 2010. After winning he signed a joint deal with Simon Cowell's label, Syco Music, and Columbia Records making him the first X Factor winner to not be exclusively signed to Cowell's label.[2]

On October 17th 2011 he released his debut album Letters which peaked at number 2 on the UK Albums chart. In 2012 Cardle parted ways with Syco and Columbia and signed to So What? Recordings.[3] He released his second album, The Fire, in October 2012 which reached number 8 on the UK album chart.

Top of page suggest expanding the lead section which I did with this but it was removed when reverted to a previous version and locked.

Carfoil (talk) 23:04, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Reasonable and sourced requests. --Bjarki (talk) 03:56, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 February 2013[edit]

2012: New label and The Fire[edit]

On 20 May 2012 Cardle announced on Twitter that he had "parted ways" with Columbia Records.[4] On 9 September 2012, So What Recordings, part of the Silva Screen Music Group, announced that Cardle's second album, "The Fire" would be released on 29 October 2012 on their label.

On 11 September 2012, the lead single, It's Only Love was released online on Cardle's YouTube channel as an audio only video. It peaked at number 175 on the UK Singles Chart. The Fire debuted at number 8 in the UK album chart, giving Cardle his second top 10 album. It dropped twenty places the following week and left the Top 100 in December.

During promotion for the album, Cardle reversed his previously stated enthusiasm for the single "Run For Your Life" and claimed that he never liked the song.[5] He asserted that "The Fire" was more like what he did before The X Factor than "Letters": "I’m getting closer to myself, and getting back to what I do and what I’ve always done."[6]

On 10 December an Unplugged tour was announced on Cardle's website.[7] Tickets went on general sale on 12 December.

Idrial (talk) 16:33, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --Bjarki (talk) 03:56, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Promotion[edit]

This article is overly promoted Matt. However, Matt Cardle is clearly a notable person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiaeditor10011 (talkcontribs) 12:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Citation needed[edit]

I reverted the use of so many {{cn}}s per this via the Help Desk. It's template clutter and such a case is what the BLP sources tag is for. Personally, I don't even think the BLP sources tag is necessary, as I didn't find any of the tagged claims questionable and some (much? all?) is probably covered in the sources of proceeding sentences in the article. I'll instead let other editors chime in about removing or keeping the tag at the top of the page.  Mbinebri  talk ← 18:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ Cardle, Matt (2010). Matt Cardle: My Story. Harper. ISBN 978-0-00-742670-6. 
  2. ^ http://www.heart.co.uk/showbiz/artists/matt-cardle/news/double-deal-matt-cardle/
  3. ^ http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/matt-cardle-new-album-and-tour-details-revealed/051712
  4. ^ "X Factor 2010 winner Matt Cardle: Goodbye Columbia Records, it's time to move on - now". Nowmagazine.co.uk. Retrieved 2012-12-19. 
  5. ^ Smart, Gordon (2 October 2012). "Showbiz|Bizarre". The Sun. Retrieved 2012-12-19. 
  6. ^ "Matt Cardle: ‘My new album is more honest’". The Linc. 2012-10-03. Retrieved 2012-12-19. 
  7. ^ "Matt Cardle – ‘Unplugged’ Tour". Matt Cardle Music. 2012-12-10. Retrieved 2012-12-19.