Talk:Maximilien de Robespierre

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Centre for Research on Globalization quote[edit]

I do not understand it's value whatsoever. it seems out of place entirely.-- (talk) 20:53, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Shockingly this is the only reference to slavery and Haiti in this whole article. The subject deserves more extended treatment, and I am not sure why it appears in this floating box, unconnected to other issues. If somebody is going to address this problem they should add a section or paragraph on slavery before removing the quote. - Darouet | Talk 03:01, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

What on earth is shocking about this being the only reference to slavery or Haiti? I looked up this article for information about Robespierre. If I had wanted to know about Haiti, I should have typed in 'Haiti'. If I had wanted to know about slavery, I should have entered 'slavery'. If I had wanted to know about left wing loonies who hate globalisation, I should have entered ditto. If Maximilien Robespierre had anything whatsoever to do with Toussaint Louverture & his revolution, please include it in the article, otherwise remove the silly box. Wikipedia has major problems with perceptions of bias, and this does not help. Just because one can quote a source does not make it gospel, or relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanThomas (talkcontribs) 11:44, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we should get a better source. In the mean time, if you don't know why Robespierre is relevant to Haiti or slavery, you don't have the competence to contribute to this article. -Darouet (talk) 20:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps you could enlighten us, O competent one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Seriously, I came to the talk page only because of the odd floating box. What has this quote to do with the article? If there is a _connection_, please write a section on Robespierre and Haiti, or on Robespierre and the anti-Globalisation movement. I have no idea if or how Robespiere is relevant to Haiti or slavery. Please make the connection for us. Otherwise, I suggest the box is just a tad unencyclopedic, and should go. J.A.Treloar (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Execution of Louis XVI[edit]

I've made a number of edits and additions to the sections on Robespierre's opposition to War and on the execution of the king, and have added a section concerning the National Convention. My principle goal is to add historical context (provided in much greater detail by linked wiki pages), and to make more clear Robespierre's political position on major events of the Revolution. My changes will certainly be insufficient in some ways and so I hope all who can will contribute, while being meticulous in sourcing. Regarding the section on the execution of the king, I've provided two long quotes because I wasn't sure how to edit these any more without eliminating critical information. I believe the extended treatment is justified given Robespierre's previous opposition to the death penalty, given the momentous event of the King's execution, and given the terror that would follow. The section deserves more material if anybody can provide it. Darouet (talk) 3:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Robespierre's Views On Capital Punishment[edit]

Robespierre certainly had qualms about capital punishment; however, the idea that he resigned rather than deliver the death penalty as a judge in Arras is false. His signature is on a death warrant. His sister Charlotte is the source of the claim that he resigned. Ruth Scurr, Fatal Purity: Robespierre and the French Revolution, pp 44-45. Maurizio689 (talk) 20:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

True. Nice catch! SteveStrummer (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Advocated against death penalty but directly involved in executions ? it is confusing, needs clarification and sources "As a member of the Estates-General, the Constituent Assembly and the Jacobin Club (Jacobin leader during the Reign of Terror), he advocated against the death penalty" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Called a dictator[edit]

Who called him a "dictator"? Was it only his enemies, or did he style himself "Dictator of France"?

  • After the execution of Danton and Desmoulins, Robespierre became the dictator France. He got 1370 persons guillotined in Paris ... History of Europe - Radhey Shyam Chaurasia

Is this a reliable source? --Uncle Ed (talk) 01:50, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

People who opposed him called him a dictator, but from a historical perspective this would be a very controversial statement, even among opponents of the Montagnards. Robespierre's formal power even at the height of the terror was not equivalent to his de facto power on the basis of his prestige and personality in France. Also, if you're able to look at it, the French Wikipedia page has a much more thoughtful discussion of his role in the terror than we have presented here. -Darouet (talk) 04:17, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Is the book you quote reliable? Was Maximilien Robespierre a dictator? For the first question, it is only reliable to illustrate the common misconceptions about Robespierre but it is not a very serious text. In Paris, 2,639 persons were executed during the reign of Terror, not 1,370 and it wasn't Robespierre who particularly demanded all these executions. It was the comittee of public safety as a whole and the Revolutionary Tribunal (especially Fouquier-Tinville). A dictator is supposed to assume sole and absolute power and Robespierre was only one member (influential and popular but not more powerful than Barrère) of a not-so-strong executive branch (among eleven others). Another thing, most people who opposed him called him a dictator only after the Battle of Fleurus (which saved the country) and his reputation of dictator was promoted among the general public after his death when he was used, in France, as a scapegoat by the other revolutionary leaders and, in the rest of Europe, as a bogeyman by conservatives. Serious scholars don't call him a dictator. Eleventh1 (talk) 07:57, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Agree with the above, but just to make sure this is perfectly clear: Robespierre never styled himself "dictator of France" eldamorie (talk) 13:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Would be nice to incorporate some of Slavoj Zizek's commentary on Robespierre from "In Defense of Lost Causes"

  • How would adding commentary from a flat out Marxist not lend this article to imply that Robespierre's rule was a model for latter Marxist governments? OTOH, if you are attempting to tie Robespierre's terror into certain 20th century Marxist "reigns of terror" - I'd be interested to see a well cited treatise on this. 10stone5 (talk) 04:53, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

End of Reign of Terror correct?[edit]

While this entry claims the Reign ended months after Robespierre's execution, another source I saw awhile back--it may have been Encyclopedia Britannica--insisted the Reign ended with his execution. Anyone know what is the historians' consensus on the final date of the Reign? Thanks in advance! [signed] FLORIDA BRYAN — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

"Robespierre’s speeches were exceptional, and he had the power to change the views of almost any audience." This phrase does not meet Wikipedia's standards. When we write our history we must do it without bias!-- (talk) 18:31, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

picture caption needs a little clarification[edit]

I find: "The execution of Robespierre. Note: the beheaded man is not Robespierre, but Couthon; Robespierre is shown sitting on the cart closest to the scaffold, holding a handkerchief to his mouth."

Did you mean "just-beheaded"? (Headless body still on the scaffold, and the executioner displaying the severed head.) I am asking this because the sketch also has a headless body on the ground nearby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

"headless body on the ground nearby" - body of Le Bas, who committed suicide during Hotel de Ville capture and whose dead body was decapitated together with other robespierrists as it is shown on the picture.
-- (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

How do you arrive at Le Bas for the identity of the headless body on the ground nearby? I take it you agree with "just-beheaded", which I have still not implemented, in reference to the decapitated body still on the scaffold.

Well, there is no other body on the ground... Just Le Bas... How? By numbers, my friend, by numbers.. Number 5 is "Le traitre Lebas..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nivose (talkcontribs) 23:42, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Ronan Vibert's performance[edit]

I think there should be a reference somewhere in the article to Ronan Vibert's superb performance as Robespierre in the 1999 and 2000 film versions of The Scarlet Pimpernel. 'Ah, Lady Blakeney ... or do you prefer Citizeness?'

Djwilms (talk) 05:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)