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Looks at risk from vandalism.[edit]

A number of students from my school will be using this article for an opinion piece, and are known for vandalizing articles.

Not done: requests for changes to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:22, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

NOTE: I just removed a bit of vandalism from the page which was clearly already removed once before. If nobody is going to protect the page, an increased level of vigilance may be necessary to deal with the persistent vandals. 24.62.25.156 (talk) 13:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

The vandalism you removed had been added only a couple of hours before you removed it. People watching this page, such as myself, may not have checked out watch lists yet this morning to monitor for vandalism. Had you not removed it, I would have right now. This isn't a serious problem necessitating a protection change. I do thank you for your vigilance in removing the vandalism, though! Everyone helping is what makes it count. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 13:14, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Disingenuous Main Image[edit]

Image created by some fringe group called "Catechetical Guild Educational Society". There are always fringe groups creating ridiculous material. To pretend that the view represented by such a silly image is representative of your opposition is itself propaganda. This borders on ...what's that word? That's right, "McCarthyism". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.232.191.16 (talk) 14:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I dispute the premise of this article[edit]

It is wrong of the article to claim that "McCarthyism" means "the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence", because "McCarthyism" means something narrower than that. McCarthyism is specifically the particular instance of that practice that occurred in the U.S. in the 1950s. It is not a general name for the practice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.67.252 (talk) 21:17, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you can come back after you convince English dictionaries {[1], [2], [3], and [4]) to remove the broader meaning from their definitions. Fat&Happy (talk) 01:37, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, but in that case perhaps point out that in modern times, making the accusation of McCarthyism is itself an act of McCarthyism, it is an attempt to smear by labelling. Doesn't matter if you are correct in making the accusation, because many of the accused victims of the original McCarthy were, in fact, Communists, so the form fits perfectly 69.201.168.196 (talk) 01:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Are you saying that being a Communist automatically makes one guilty of "disloyalty, subversion and treason"? HiLo48 (talk) 02:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
"many of the accused victims of the original McCarthy were, in fact, Communists" Fascinating. Perhaps you'd care to tell us some of the names of principal Communists exposed by Senator McCarthy. Joegoodfriend (talk) 05:05, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd be happy to. Gustavo Duran, Harlow Shapley, and Philip and Mary Jane Keeney were four State Department employees named by McCarthy who turned out to have had Soviet connections. See Arthur Herman's Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator, Chapter 5. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelmartind (talkcontribs) 17:42, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Request[edit]

Request: additional info on the use of grand juries during McCarthyism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.171.34 (talk) 05:01, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

There's lots of info on Wikipedia on this period and prosecutions on Wikipedia. You can look up the Smith Act, Stack v. Boyle, Yates v. U.S., etc. Try this also http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/354/298/case.html Activist (talk) 05:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Law[edit]

Was communism illegal or something? What did an accused person face if found to be un-American? The article seems to miss these things out. 130.159.81.151 (talk) 21:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

It was illegal under the Smith Act to advocate the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, which the Communist Party USA's original constitution did. As the article indicates, the Smith Act has been amended since the Supreme Court reversed some convictions under the law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LesLein (talkcontribs) 02:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Three of those Californians whom I added to the list of "notable persons," Dorothy Healey and Al Richmond, were among those tried for Smith Act violations. Though they remained Marxists, they left the party after the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Archie Brown was also tried, for a Landrum-Griffin Act violation. Activist (talk) 05:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

other examples?[edit]

[5] aren´t examples for McCarthyism. The sources "Buckley, A hymnal" and "Goldberg, Liberal Fascism" aren´t about McCartyism anyway. And they don´t present the given stories as examples of McCarthyism. Not to mention that "Goldberg, Liberal Fascism" is a subprime-source anyway. The added stories may be suitable for the McCarthy article but not in this one. --Pass3456 (talk) 15:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

The first two sentences state "McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "'the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism.'" Jailing movie makers for negatively portraying allies certainly qualifies. In fact there's a section on the blacklist; if it's relevant to this topic then so is the episode from WWI.

Books by Herbert Block and Alan Brinkley are references for this article. Their subjects aren't McCarthyism, but they address it. Buckley's book has a subchapter called "The Long War Against McCarthyism." Paying an informer qualifies as tactic related to McCarthyism. Every time I've attempted to verify a Goldberg source it checked out, including the story about Hollywood. LesLein (talk) 21:12, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

So you admit that the authors did not see those two "examples" as McCarthyism. Jonah Goldberg may have pointed out that example to apologize McCarthy but that doesn´t make it an example for McCarthyism. --Pass3456 (talk) 22:42, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
I agree. Not McCarthyism. It should be removed. Figureofnine (talkcontribs) 00:23, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Venona and Soviet Intelligence Files[edit]

Both the US Army's Venona files and later released Soviet intelligence files revealed that some of McCarthy's "victims" were in fact Soviet agents. This article needs to acknowlege that fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.229.216.31 (talk) 18:36, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Please provide a source for your claim. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 23:05, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I am not aware of a single Soviet Agent who was found through McCarthy's efforts, nor of anyone of whom he was first accuser and who was later proven to be an Agent through Venona. Joegoodfriend (talk) 01:44, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
You should have seen John Earl Haynes vehemently deny the question—just a question, not a charge—that J Edgar Hoover may have passed VENONA tips to McCarthy while they were betting at the race track. Haynes emphasized that Hoover was very security conscious & would never have leaked such information to someone like McCarthy. So then the question becomes, just how did McCarthy get his "leads?" As far as I know the record is pretty silent to that question, but clearly the finger points in one direction. DEddy (talk) 20:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

McCarthy Was RIGHT!![edit]

At what point do we all admit that McCarthy was correct and had proper steps been taken we would not be under the communist takeover of America we are experiencing today. This article should contain some reference to the fact he was RIGHT!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.169.198.36 (talk) 18:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I propose to delete this comment. (1) anonymous poster, & (2) no references. DEddy (talk) 20:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
agree with Deddy. Joegoodfriend (talk) 04:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
No, it contributes to the discussion, albeit marginally and not constructively. Figureofnine (talkcontribs) 22:53, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

No, no! Keep it, it's a great comment! And it is so true, how else can you explain the lunacy of the Tea Party than by fluoridation of their water supply. Either that or it's evidence that, despite all appearences, the American right wing does have a sense of humour. Baska436 (talk) 05:17, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

You're mocking my religion.NaturalFluids (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
He's going to have to answer to the Coca-Cola company. Activist (talk) 05:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Why Hollywood Blacklist?[edit]

Why is the Hollywood blacklist included in this article? McCarthy had nothing to do with it, and it started in the late 1940's before he even arrived on the scene. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.48.54.192 (talk) 17:19, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

You can have McCarthyism without McCarthy. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 01:53, 4 August 2014 (UTC)