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Congressional Medal of Honor[edit]

Most would agree that the MOH is sometimes referred to as the ‘Congressional Medal of Honor’ but that the official title is simply the ‘Medal of Honor’. While I prefer ‘Medal of Honor’ to ‘Congressional Medal of Honor’ the article should not be dogmatic and state that it is an error to use ‘Congressional Medal of Honor’. I propose to delete the word erroneously. Most US presidents in the 20th and 21st century have on occasion called the award the ‘Congressional Medal of Honor’. Anthony Staunton (talk) 10:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

It's completely inaccurate to claim that congress has anything to do with selecting and awarding the medal. Just because it's a common mistake doesn't mean it's a mistake we should acknowledge with any legitimacy. —Ed!(talk) 11:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, this issue was last discussed in 2007-2008 in Archive #2 at this location: Talk:Medal of Honor/Archive 2#"erroneously" referred to as the Congressional Medal of Honor??. It isn't evident from that thread if there was a consensus decision back then, but it gives the background on what was discussed previously. --AzureCitizen (talk) 13:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
It's unfortunate that the archive gives no consensus. Congressional Medal of Honor does deserve mentioning in the article, heck it's a redirect to this page. In looking at the United States Statutes at Large from 1918 and 1919, in the parts of the law establishing the DSC and DSM, it would seem that the law uses the terminology "Congressional medal of honor for conspicuous gallantry, etc., in actual conflict." here: SIXTY-FIFTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 143. 1918. p. 870 and here: SIXTY-FIFTH CONGRESS. Sess. III. Ch. 14. 1919. p 1056 when referring to the Medal of Honor. At one time this may have been an acceptable way to reference the MoH, but it is obvious, from more recent reliable sources, that currently this usage is considered incorrect. So is "erroneously" not as accurate as say, "incorrectly"? EricSerge (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for thoughtful comment. However, it is neither erroneous nor incorrect to call it the Congressional Medal of Honor particularly when the recipients form the Congressional Medal of Honor Society. Anthony Staunton (talk) 22:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Except that it is. Please read the links in the discussion - one of which explicitly says "erroneously". Rmhermen (talk) 01:42, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Medal of Honor Legion (April 23, 1890), Washington, D.C.: Medal of Honor recipients of the Civil War and Indian War Campaign. YahwehSaves 05:19, 6 October 2012‎
From the Congressional Medal of Honor Society website: "14 AUG 1958 The Medal of Honor Society is absorbed into the Congressionally Chartered CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA under Title 38, USC."[1] Could it be that the Congressional Medal of Honor Society chose its name to indicate its congressional charter and because Medal of Honor Society was already in use in 1958? EricSerge (talk) 21:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
There are countless examples using Congressional Medal of Honor including remarks and speeches by many Presidents over many years and by many congressional comments and reports. The quotes in the archive referred to above are a small number of instances where some comments pontificate that it is an error to use the expression. I am quite sure there are more but it has not and will not stop the use of Congressional Medal of Honor. There is no court ruling, no speech by the President, no resolution by the Congress that states it is erroneous to use Congressional Medal of Honor instead of simply the Medal of Honor. Let’s toss out an opinionated and emotive word that is unhelpful. Anthony Staunton (talk) 02:09, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe this will help: "Above and Beyond, A History of the Medal of Honor from the Civil War to Vietnam" by the editors of Boston Publishing Company. Produced in cooperation with the Congressional Medal of Honor Society of the United States of America, 1985: P. 1, 2nd paragraph: "The reader of this volume is requested to think of the award by its correct name. Over the years it has come to be known as "The Congressional Medal of Honor," because the holder of the medal, though chosen for it by his peers and superior officers, is nominally given it by writ of Congress. Its real name, however, is simply the Medal of Honor. This fact is perhaps made more difficult to understand since there is an organization called the Congressional Medal of Honor Society (because it is chartered by the U.S. Congress). The society's collaboration with our editors and writers has given this book its extra scope and authenticity."— Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talkcontribs)

Thank you for an excellent reference. It would be preferable to say that the Medal of Honor is the correct description rather than say the Congressional Medal of Honor is erroneous. My original suggestion was just to delete the word erroneously. I would now also like to amend the first words of the next sentence from The official title ... to The correct and official title ... Anthony Staunton (talk) 08:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I would be more in favor of such a change as long as it acknowledges that Medal of Honor is considered correct. —Ed!(talk) 13:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I deleted "erroneous" because the original 1882 Army version has "The Congress to" on the reverse side of the medals (Army version made from and after the 1882 Navy version which had "Personal Valor" engraved on the reverse side of the medals). One Civil War recipient (Army) referred to it as the Congressional Medal. The Army continued to have, "The Congress to" on the reverse side of their version of the medal. The Civil War paperwork I've seen on the Net given for or delivered with the medal, says, "Medal of Honor". So I put, "the original and official military title is, Medal of Honor". Private Jacob Parrott received the first Medal of Honor (The Congress to) on March 25, 1863.— Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talkcontribs)

This Article/page is great . . . I'll be 'watching' and contributing. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

USS Squalus Rescue[edit]

the rescue of the trapped crew members on the Squalus in 1939 resulted in four of the rescuers getting the MoH at the same time. Seems worthy of mentioning in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.223.87 (talk) 19:38, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Etymology[edit]

Article says:

Because the medal is presented in the name of Congress it's often erroneously referred to as the Congressional Medal of Honor; the official name is simply the "Medal of Honor".

However:

  • " It is presented by the President in the name of Congress and thus is often called the Congressional Medal of Honor." ~ Congressional Research Service [2]
  • "Maine Congressional Medal of Honor Recipients" - [3]
  • Congressional Medal of Honor License Plates - "A Congressional Medal of Honor (CMOH)" - [4]

Wikipedia doesn't get to decide if something is being referred to erroneously. It's clearly an acceptable name used in many places including various laws. Please fix this inaccurate statement. --65.78.114.251 (talk) 21:53, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Statistics[edit]

Needless to say, the stats on this page will constantly change. However, the sources that are used to present the stats are updated at different rates. The main sources used to cite the stats are:

  • "Archive Statistics" ~ Congressional Medal of Honor Society [5] This source seems to be the most up-to-date, citing that the most recent recipient was on May 13, 2014. The rest of the information in the source is not used as straightforward in the article as the next source.
  • "Medal of Honor recipients" ~ United States Army Center of Military History [6] The article relies heavily on the stats on this page. It is not entirely out-of-date, having been last updated on Aug 13, 2013, but there have been at least 20 new recipients since the page was updated.
  • "Medal of Honor, USN Recipients" ~ United States Navy [7] This source is not the most useful in this case as it focuses largely on the Navy recipients.

What would be the best way to update the stats? As of now, it seems most accurate to update the total to 3,488 recipients and the rest of the stats will have to be updated as accurately as we can. Any related percentages will change, of course.

Worldofinfo (talk) 16:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Although it's not 100% ideal, I think the best thing to do is use the numbers given in the linked sources. When those sources are updated, change the article numbers. Simply put a disclaimer (as in the original wording) saying "as of Date X, Y MoH had been awarded." That way you're avoiding original research or synthesis. I'd suggest staying with the .mil sources, as they're going to be considered the most authoritative. That doesn't prevent you from adding a note stating that the Society's recorded number is X, and includes awards after 2013. In either case, the number of awards listed has to agree with what the cited source says. Intothatdarkness 16:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Another round of belated awards[edit]

About a month ago another 24 awards of the MOH were made. Upgrades from DSC awards. Only 3 of the 24 were living recipients. Brad (talk) 15:13, 26 May 2014 (UTC)