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Opening heading[edit]

Other Melanie credits include music for the television series "Beauty and the Beast" and a track on The 6ths' "Hyacinths and Thistles" entitled, "I've Got New York," released in 2000.

Although she is viewed by many as the definitive "flower child," she identifies herself as a Libertarian rather than a Liberal.

Shine On[edit]

I have a CD titled Melanie / Shine On - The Latest and Greatest. It's produced by Melanie safka, Peter Schekeryk & Rolf Wetzel for PLH (Partner Licencing GmbH, Hamburg) 2000. I will add it to the albums. If it doesn't belong there, please change as appropriate. Hoverfish 15:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Brand New Key lyrics[edit]

This article and the Brand New Key‎ article seem to disagree with each other about how innocent the lyrics are... AnonMoos 06:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

See the discussion at Talk:Brand_New_Key#Freudian_Symbolism.3F. Rammer (talk) 02:26, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Sacrifice for her Career or Sacrifice her Career[edit]

The sentence In 1973 Melanie started to retreat from the spotlight to begin a family; one of many sacrifices she made for her career. doesn't make a lot of sense to me. A sacrifice for her family, sure, a sacrifice of her career, OK, but surely not a "sacrifice for her career. jiHymas@himivest.com 216.191.217.90 17:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you already know ...[edit]

In Russian, her surname has even a meaning! safka means food, or breakfast! xD -andy 92.227.75.133 (talk) 18:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Melanie SafkaMelanie (singer) — She is professionally known as Melanie and the article name should reflect this. Cjc13 (talk) 11:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
  • Oppose This is already adequately dealt with by a redirect. What's the problem? Skinsmoke (talk) 15:45, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
  • One problem is that she ends up being listed under S, so many people who do not know her surname can not find her in categories or think that it is someone else. Cjc13 (talk) 17:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Strongly Oppose Although she is *usually* only known as Melanie, she is also often referred to as Melanie Safka. And believe it or not there are actually a number of other female singers who are usually only known as Melanie ( not including two of the Spice Girls ) so this only confuses things further. Afterwriting (talk) 16:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
  • I am not aware of any other singer having had a hit single credited as simply "Melanie". For instance, the 2 Mels in the Spice Girls use "Mel B" and "Melanie C". Cjc13 (talk) 17:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
  • There have been quite a few other singers who have also released recordings only under the name of "Melanie" - a fact that causes considerable confusion. Afterwriting (talk) 10:49, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Can you find one instance of a different singer being credited as simply "Melanie"? All cases I have come across, they have been credited differently, eg Mel B, Melanie C etc. A search on Amazon music shows her dominant use of the name. Cjc13 (talk) 18:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
There are, as I said, quite a few of them, but finding links isn't easy for obvious reasons - here, however, is a link to an album by one of them:
http://www.amazon.de/Deinetwegen-Melanie/dp/B002N2GDCC/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1271405101&sr=1-15 Afterwriting (talk) 08:13, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
  • If links are difficult to find, it suggests they are fairly obscure. It appears to be the only album of Melanie Künstler and the page does give her surname, compare that to this page. Cjc13 (talk) 14:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
I really don't know why you keep stating the obvious - as if I wasn't somehow already aware of it - that Melanie Safka is the most well-known singer usually known as Melanie. Neither you or I know how "obscure" or otherwise these other Melanies are - and I'm not sure this is all that relevant anyway. They may be quite well-known in some places for all we know and may also be entitled to a Wikipedia article. The fact is that they exist. Also, the page only gives the other Melanie's surname in order to distinguish her - the album itself only calls her Melanie. Many similar webpages also add "Safka" for the same sort of reason. See my other comments below. Afterwriting (talk) 14:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Support per the guideline WP:NCP: "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not their 'real' name." From the discussion above, there seems to be no disagreement that the name used most often to refer to this person is simply "Melanie." Propaniac (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:

The key word in the article name policy is "generally". In this case I believe there is an obvious exception to the general policy as Melanie is also often known as Melanie Safka - whereas people such as Madonna are nearly always known only by their first name. For instance, "Melanie Safka" is the name by which her songwriting is credited on her recordings and songbooks. Melanie isn't just a "singer", she is also an established songwriter and as such she is virtually always referred to as "Melanie Safka" instead of "Melanie" - and her songs have been recorded by many different artists. The suggestion that the article be renamed may be well-intentioned but it is seriously flawed in this instance. Afterwriting (talk) 16:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

  • There are plenty of singers who are credited differently as songwriters from how they are as performers and many singers are also songwriters, but I think she is principally known as a singer or performer. See for instance the article Brand New Key which shows the front cover of her single or similarly for her album Gather Me, both showing her credited as simply Melanie. Cjc13 (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
The important point, however, is that Melanie is frequently known both as "Melanie" and "Melanie Safka". Whilst as a singer she has traditionally been known just as "Melanie" she is often also known by her full name of "Melanie Safka" and her own official website's title is "Melanie Safka - The Official Website". So her "generally known" name is not therefore as simple or straightforward as Enya's or Madonna's. Afterwriting (talk) 10:41, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
  • It is used in the title of the website but if you look at the home page the name used on the page is simply Melanie and the web address does not include her surname. I suspect her full name is used in the title to help with internet searches given the potential dangers of entering a female name in an internet search. She is playing a festival in August and is listed as simply Melanie.[1] Cjc13 (talk) 14:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
The essential point is that she is commonly known *both* as "Melanie" *and* "Melanie Safka". No one is disputing that she is mostly known only as "Melanie" - we all know that. But it is not probably not insignificant that the http://www.melaniesafka.net domain also directs to her official website. The fact is that she uses both names professionally - *not* just "Melanie". I appreciate that it is all somewhat complex but I am not yet convinced that an article name change is appropriate. I would prefer that the current redirect from Melanie (singer) remains but even this isn't without possible disambiguation problems. Afterwriting (talk) 15:14, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
My point is that many people would know her only as "Melanie" and might think that "Melanie Safka" was a different person. Cjc13 (talk) 10:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
If any people only know her as "Melanie" and might think that "Melanie Safka" was a different person then they will likely be very confused that her MySpace, Blog, Twitter and Facebook accounts are all in the name of Melanie Safka - and that her official website title also uses this name. Add to this the numerous fan websites and YouTube videos that also refer to her as Melanie Safka. If Melanie herself thinks that it's important to use her full name on her official internet sites then this adds considerable weight to the argument for using her full name with this article - it's not as if "Melanie" is some sort of nickname in the way that "Sting" is. For what it's worth I checked Beyonce's article and it is named "Beyonce Knowles" with a redirect from "Beyonce" so there are similar issues with other artists who are known by both their first name and their full names - the point is that both Melanie and Beyonce are both "regularly" known by and referred to by both their names, whereas some other artists such as Madonna and Enya are virtually always only known by their first names. Afterwriting (talk) 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
  • The Beyonce rename discussion was no consensus, so no conclusion can be drawn from that. It is not surprising that on MySpace, Twitter, Facebook etc another Melanie registered the name first so she had to use a different name, the same thing happened to Enya on MySpace for instance. Personally I would file her under M for Melanie rather than S for Safka. Cjc13 (talk) 19:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


Psychotherapy Song[edit]

John Greenway recorded and appears to have composed in part The Psychotherapy Song. Pete Peterson wrote in a discussion at The Digital Tradition on 30 July 1999, "I have, on vinyl, an old record by John Greenway, author of American folksongs of Protest-- recorded about 1960 or so on which The Psychotherapy Song can be found. He claims to have written the last three verses and gotten the rest from the proverbial Man in the Bar." Note that the album mentioned is not American Folksongs of Protest itself. If I can identify the recording, I'll add it to the article. Hieronymus Illinensis (talk) 08:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

In any event, Melanie first recorded it at an early stage of her career (not later on, as suggested by the heading in the article). The version I have is on a "Golden Hour" compilation, which gives the date as 1972. IXIA (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

HP Print Commercial[edit]

I just came across this artist because her song Brand New Key was used in one of the latest HP printer commercials (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReTg9o_eNc8) In my opinion, that's important, timely, and relevant enough to allow for an add somewhere in this article. Neutralityisimportant (talk) 02:43, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Early Life[edit]

Born Feb. 3, 1947 in Queens, N.Y. to a Russian - Ukrainian father and an Italian mother who Sang in jazz clubs, Melanie was a self-professed loner who divided her college years between a drama career and playing Greenwich Village coffeehouses. At age 20, she met music publisher-producer Schekeryk, who got her a deal with Columbia Records that lasted for two singles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.77.30.78 (talk) 12:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Melanie doubtless inherited her musical instincts from her mother of whom she says, "She was a very pure singer; she would hold a note and not whine off like I do." Melanie's musical side flowered and became her sole interest while she was at school which caused her to be regarded rather as an outsider, especially as in addition, her mode of dress was a little different to the rest of her class.

This isolation had the effect of making Melanie more absorbed in her music and more determined than ever to be different in both dress and behaviour. "School was the time when things started getting bad for me. I didn't have a happy time. It was OK in the low grades. but after that it was pretty difficult. I didn't have an easy time with other people, I couldn't get on with them. I was very much alone and the other kids didn't seem to want to know me, so I spent the time I was by myself writing, playing, singing and falling in love with everybody."

Mama Mama, written when she was 15, conveys all the anguish of her school life. It also conveys something of her attitude and regard for her mother. "She's in all my songs. I haven't got a kind of mother complex. It just happens. It must seem like I'm very dependent on her and always asking her questions. Really I'm very independent unless there's a lot of people around me and I don't have to be."

The first signs of this independence made themselves clear when Melanie ran away from high school in New Jersey. "We had moved from New York to New Jersey, you see, and there it was even worse at school. People in the town were afraid of someone different someone who showed signs of individuality was considered a nut, Even the teachers thought I was strange. One terrible one on my first day said, 'You wear your hair like a witch'. They sent me to the school psychologist!"


Melanie Safka, then an aspiring teen actress rather than a singer, mistakenly entered the office of aspiring music producer, Ukraine-born Peter Schekeryk, one day, and thus began a working relationship and a long marriage with plenty of ups and downs but always enduring.

But as the 1970s went on and a record collaboration with legendary producer Ahmet Ertegun went south for reasons never revealed (the 1976 album, PHOTOGRAPH, withdrawn quickly from sale in spite of good reviews, was finally released as a 2 CD set just a few years ago) Melanie and Peter turned more towards concerts in Europe, where she can still command a substantial audience even at age 63.

The couple even tried rock-inspired rhythms, but the next time Melanie's style made an impression in the USA was in the 1980s, when she wrote a song for the cult hit show BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, "The Last Time I Loved Forever", and won an Emmy.

The couple had three children, daughters Leilah and Jeordie, and son Beau Jarred, the youngest.

All the children became involved in the music business to some extent, performing with their mother, providing back-up vocals, instruments, and even, in the late 1990s, briefly forming their own band they called "Safka" in her honor. Jeordie and Beau have done solo albums.

The family, when not touring together, had homes ranging from New Jersey to Florida to Nashville, Tennessee.

The couple once owned and operated a restaurant in Florida reflecting Melanie's interest in natural foods. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.77.30.78 (talk) 12:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Ford Mustang[edit]

I recall a 70's TV spot where they sing "Look what we've done to our Mustang", to the tune of "What have they done to my song Ma". Does anyone have any details? Ironically, I think they really did mess up the Mustang at that point, so it was appropriate to choose that song.

Look What They've Done To My Song, Ma[edit]

In the article, the title is quoted as "What have they done to my song", then it says that Ray Charles sang it as "Look What They've Done To My Song, Ma". But Melanie sang it this way too. Am I missing something? X10 (talk) 16:01, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


Libertarianism[edit]

The link to the liberarianism statement doesn't work, can't be found on the net. I don't want to remove the reference, but also I don't know what to replace it with. X10 (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)