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I've cleaned it up. Avoid inserting needless inuendo and it should be ok. Cited references are welcome, but may be chracterized as to provenance and source. Wyss 16:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I do not understand why this important link was deleted:
- Do not 1) insert personal opinions (Wikipedia:No original research), 2) Wikipedia:Avoid weasel terms, and Wikipedia:Cite sources. Thank you. Ted Wilkes 22:47, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Some reviews of Alanna Nash's book, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia:
- This book details the decline of Elvis in the latter part of his life writen by 3 ex members of his entourage. The authors of this book conveniently overlook the fact that Elvis provided them with the "good life" for over 20 years supplying them with cash, alcohol, illicit drugs, women, free prostitutes, holidays and cars. The authors show how they were basically 'Yes Men" to Elvis' every whim and desire. They all stood idly by and watched as he slowly killed himself with Prescription Drugs and did NOTHING to save him. Then Vernon Presley "pulled the plug" on the free rollercoaster ride that they had all enjoyed for so many years then they decided to write this trash and mooch off Elvis' Fame for as long as this book sold well. Elvis gave these losers a life they could only ever dream about and they repaid him by betraying him and writing this garbage. As the old saying goes "It is lonely at the top" and it seems like Elvis did not have a real friend in this world just a lot of "hangers on" who took advantage of his Fame, Success and Fortune.
- Why any author would take the time to commit the moronic insights of these men about the most complex of people onto paper, is beyond me. Hey guess what everyone, Elvis abused drugs. I have now encapsulated this novel in one sentence. Why did it take Nash nearly 1000 pages? Every story is as boring as it could be and then it ends in Elvis using drugs. For those of you who have never walked past a checkout stand in the last 25 years I guess this is sensational. It is some kind of endless diary more than a novel. *Elvis went to the movies, ate a whole pizza then went home and did drugs.* Elvis lost his temper because the lowlifes around him were stealing everything they could get their hands on.* Elvis cheated on his wife with every foxy star and starlet that could get their hands on him . . . Other than Bily Smith, who should've never associated himself with this book considering how good Elvis was to him and his whole dirt scratching family, the contributors of this book were the people Elvis abused the most. Marty Lacker was the class bafoon at Humes and Lamar was Elvis' human toilet for 20 years. They never miss an opportunity to pay "The Boss" back with tales from the toilet. Without Elvis these guys are a bunch of dung shovelers and this book is nothing but road kill. Onefortyone 19:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- 1 Protected
- 2 Deleting tactics?
- 3 Yes, there was a good reason to remove these two external links:
- 4 Additional sources
- 5 Reverts by Ted Wilkes
- 6 Claims that Elvis and the men from the Memphis Mafia might be homosexual
- 7 Violations of probation?
- 8 Deliberate distortions by User on probation, Onefortyone
- 9 Making fun and denegrating Religious beliefs
- 10 NOTICE: Wikipedia:Copyright problems
- 11 This paragraph should not be deleted
- 12 Reformat
- 13 This article and why reverting myself
- 14 "it's all plagiarised"
I've protected this article, as there's lots of reverting going on but no discussion. Try discussing your changes and if you can't convince each other, take it to RfC. Once you've agreed, let me know or post a request for unprotection. --fvw* 23:42, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
RfC may be the only way. Wyss 23:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
The whole thing's in arbitration now, I think the page should remain protected. Wyss 20:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
If there is a serious problem, you can petition the arbitration committee for an injunction against the involved parties. No need to protect the page. --Tony SidawayTalk 20:06, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Nobody requested unprotection and I think there's a need for continued protection. As I said, it's all in arbitration now anyway. Wyss 20:13, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
- I do not think that the page should remain protected. Signifantly, Wyss and Ted Wilkes have not discussed the quotes above which prove that there are several critical voices concerning the guys around Elvis. Even Elvis's platonic girlfriend, Judy Spreckels stated that she did not belong to the "Yes Men" around the singer: "I had nothing to do with being a yes man for him and obviously he trusted me." Onefortyone 20:27, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
- Like I said... (sigh). Wyss 20:49, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I warn all involved in this case that it is probably not in your interests to make edits to this article that may be interpreted as hostile or defiant acts. --Tony SidawayTalk 21:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
- I don't understand. Is this directed at me? Have I been hostile or defiant? Wyss 21:25, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
- Your reverting, deleting and denigrating tactics may well support this view. Onefortyone 22:14, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I do not understand why User:Ted Wilkes has now deleted a perfectly well hyperlink to a website by the Memphis Mafia members from the article. See . The same user also removed a passage which stated that Elvis Presley "reportedly supplied the Memphis Mafia members with alcohol, illicit drugs, and prostitutes". See . Onefortyone 20:25, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
- Hmm, yes. Of most interest to me is that the following two links were removed:
- Website of five former members of the Memphis Mafia
- THE MEMPHIS MAFIA: Interviews with just about every member of the infamous Memphis Mafia
- First, that is not a "Website of five former members of the Memphis Mafia." The Memphis Mafia does not have a website.
- The second is a link to an Elvis Presley fanclub site. Wikipedia:Reliable sources doesn't accept referencing personal websites as secondary sources. Wikipedia is not a repository for personal websites. And, if Wikipedia links one, then the hundreds of others must be given equal treatment witthout discrimination. (Already there were many, many at the Elvis Presley article and even now, most every day various anonymous Users show up to add a link to their website.) Also, see comments by and with an apparently sincere and honest website operator who edited as "ChuckS" on Talk:Natalie Wood about this issue. And, User:Onefortyone is fully aware that this particular Australian based Elvis Presley fan website is a completely unreliable site as spelled out by me in precise detail at Talk:Elvis Presley/archive3 (search word: Frydman) as part of a detailed rebuttal of improper edits. - Ted Wilkes 01:28, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- Very interesting. How should Ted Wilkes know that this website is not by the members of the Memphis Mafia? This site seems to have been online for a long time. The Memphis Mafia members would have protested and taken legal steps against the webmaster if it would not be their website or if it would include information which isn't true. In my opinion, Ted Wilkes has deleted this external link because this site proves that Elvis spent all day and night with men from the Memphis Mafia - a fact Wilkes wishes to suppress. He also deleted references to this fact on the Elvis Presley page. See 
- The second link is to a website dealing with more critical aspects concerning Elvis and the men from the Memphis Mafia. Wilkes does not like such critical remarks in the Wikipedia article. Therefore, he also deleted any references to the fact that Elvis "reportedly supplied the Memphis Mafia members with alcohol, illicit drugs, and prostitutes".
- Significantly, the two external links Ted Wilkes has included in the article are also links to personal websites which seem to be in line with his personal opinion. Onefortyone 17:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I did some further research on Elvis and the men from the Memphis Mafia.
- In his book, Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley, reputed Elvis biographer Peter Guralnick says about Elvis and the guys from the Memphis Mafia,
- Every night they went to the shows, Elvis and his guys, dressed identically in their dark glasses and dark mohair suits. The Colonel joked that they looked like a bunch of old men, but the Memphis Mafia had become almost as well known around town as Frank Sinatra's Rat Pack. They were living on speed and tranqs; for Joe [Esposito], who liked to portray himself to Elvis as Broadway Joe, a sophisticated man-about-town, "it was a party like you wouldn't believe. Go to a different show every night, then pick up a bunch of women afterwards, go party the next night. Go to the lounges, see Fats Domino, Della Reese, Jackie Wilson, the Four Aces, the Dominoes - all the old acts. We'd stay there and never sleep, we were all taking pills just so we could keep up with each other." (p. 116)
- In his book, Elvis: The Last 254 Hours, Albert Goldman says that the guys from the Memphis Mafia recall that Elvis's LA parties amounted to nothing more than everybody observing Elvis watch TV, with everyone laughing at every stupid thing he said.
- In their book, Up and Down with Elvis Presley, Marge Crumbaker and Gabe Tucker relate several bad tales about Elvis' cruelty, such as when he had an old Memphis flame strip for him--and then turned her over to the Memphis Mafia to provide sexual favors.
I hope that these sources indeed prove that there were several "yes men" among these guys, that they consumed drugs, spent the whole night together, etc. Onefortyone 13:16, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Reverts by Ted Wilkes
I reverted the THREE (3) edits today by Onefortyone. Wikipedia has an Official policy with respect to article content. Wikipedia:Verifiability states "For an encyclopedia, sources should be unimpeachable" and Wikipedia:The perfect article says that an article: "reflects expert knowledge; fact-based."
First, the Memphis Mafia does not have a website. This was already clearly stated above on this page, but as he has done hundreds of times in the past here and in other articles, Onefortyone ignores facts and reinserts it. That is precisely why a complaint was filed against him with the Arbitration Committee.
Second, the references here are prersented in a POV and derogatory manner and are references to an obscure book that has no peer review but is, on a Google Seach by author names, listed in first position at "Elvis Presley Gossip & Scandal books from The Bomp Bookshelf" here which says the exact reference inserted here by OneFortyone is "Pointless, and don't be fooled by the non-sequitur title." Such references are in fact completely pointless in an Encyclopedia. This also falls into the category of not being a Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
Next, taking only a negative excerpt from Albert Goldman's book has no place in an encyclopedic article because it provides no balance and Goldman's information is a quote alleged to have come from a third party. Non-balanced text insertion is in fact NPOV. Conversely, Goldman has many positive statements about Presley, do we start to insert all of them to counteract the negative? That is non-encyclopedic. If we start accepting "unsubstantiated" quotes from any author who was not a witness to the event, then we then must accept thousands of quotes from other authors and not just for this article but every other article in Wikipedia. That is the reason why Wikipedia Policy exists. In the case of Presley, we are talking about upwards of two thousand books but even others like George W. Bush have a growing number filled with all kinds of quotes. All Onefortyone is attempting to do here is to get Wikipedia to accept a quote from any book so as to establish a precedent to get around the Wikipedia:Reliable sources policy.
- Ted Wilkes 15:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
- Would you please present evidence to support your view that this website is not by the Memphis Mafia.
- I do not think that a Wikipedia article should only say positive things about celebrities, though it may be in line with Ted Wilkes's personal opinion about Elvis and the men from the Memphis Mafia. Wikipedia is not a fan site. What should be wrong with including a negative statement by Albert Goldman in the article? In addition to the statement by Goldman, Judy Spreckels, Elvis's companion, confidante and keeper of secrets in the exciting days of his early career, who remembers that "Elvis was surrounded by the first wave of what would become known as the Memphis Mafia", says that she "had nothing to do with being a yes man for him and obviously he trusted me." See 
- Significantly, you did not discuss the most relevant quote from reputed Elvis biographer Peter Guralnick Your only aim seems to be to denigrate sources provided by others which do not support your own view.
- Ted Wilkes has deleted not only my contributions to the article, but also two external links to websites dealing with the Memphis Mafia. Onefortyone 15:27, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Claims that Elvis and the men from the Memphis Mafia might be homosexual
According to a recent Playboy article by Byron Raphael and Alanna Nash, entitled "In Bed With Elvis" (November 2005), Natalie Wood "was not the only one to think Elvis and the guys might be homosexual, especially since Elvis often wore pancake makeup and mascara offstage to accentuate his brooding intensity, a la Tony Curtis and Rudolph Valentino, his favorite movie actors." This quote may be included in the Wikipedia article. Onefortyone 23:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
- This source is fully in line with Bill Dakota's account that Elvis had sex with some members of the Memphis Mafia. Dakota, who worked for Elvis's friend Nick Adams, says, "A companion of Elvis's (when this article was first written), told me that all of those so called cousins that surrounded and traveled with him, weren't all cousins. Some were alleged to have taken turns sleeping with him. And when someone, in print, alleged that Nick slept in bed with Elvis at Graceland, it was said to the press or the writer, that Elvis had a cot brought into the bedroom and that Nick slept on that. Elvis's bed was big enough for a 'dozen people.' " See . Onefortyone 04:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Your continuous addition to nearly all Elvis Presley related articles that he was homosexual has already been heavily questioned, yet you continue in your quest to place them where you think you can get away with it. As said above, these comments are slanderous gossip, NOT encyclopaedic. For every one person that claims Presley had some sort of a homosexual bone in his body, there are many more who deny it. Also, a LOT of your input has been found in the past to be plagiarised from other websites, including quotes, sentences and full paragraphs. It seems that much of your input is copied from elsewhere, and you continually use full quotes. Wikipedia is about original writing. If you are unable to do that without quote after quote, you shouldn't be working on it. Unless you want a potential law suit arriving through your letterbox some time soon, I would advise you to stop insisting that Presley was homosexual, or bisexual, or obsessed with shagging his mother! ElvisFan1981 (talk) 07:58, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Violations of probation?
User:Onefortyone violated his Wikipedia:Probation and reinserted links to a website that his Wikipedia Mentor User:FCYTravis said was improper. As well, he inserted a link to a personal website in contravention of Wikipedia sources policy.
- Sorry, Ted, I did not violate my probation. Significantly, the two external links to websites you have inserted are also links to personal websites. You should read the Wikipedia page on double standard. To my mind, you simply do not like the content of some websites concerning the Memphis Mafia because this content is not in line with your personal opinion. I would call this POV. I have not removed the links you have included.
- You should also remember, Ted, what the arbcom says about your behavior:
Ted Wilkes and Wyss's view of the standard of editing
- Ted Wilkes and Wyss have repeatedly insisted on an unrealistic standard with respect to negative information regarding celebrities that is current in popular culture, gossip and rumor Talk:James Dean#Removal of "Rumors" section  and Talk:Nick Adams#Rumors, gossip or speculation contravene official Wikipedia policy
- Fred Bauder 14:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- ➥the Epopt 14:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- James F. (talk) 22:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
- Jayjg (talk) 19:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
- Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
- Raul654 19:49, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
- Neutralitytalk 21:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- The arbcom also says that "Ted Wilkes and Wyss are banned from making any edit related to a person's alleged homosexuality or bisexuality." Both editors are placed on probation: "If in the opinion of any three administrators, for good cause, he is responsible for disrupting the functioning of Wikipedia, restrictions may be placed on his editing, up to and including a general ban of one year." See . In my opinion, you may have violated your probation here, as you seem to continue edit warring with me. Onefortyone 03:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
In addition, he quoted out of context and deliberately distorted facts in his quoting Byron Raphael. Onefortyone inserted:
- According to Byron Raphael, assistant to Elvis's manager, Colonel Tom Parker, and Memphis Mafia expert Alanna Nash, Natalie Wood "was not the only one to think Elvis and the guys might be homosexual, especially since Elvis often wore pancake makeup and mascara offstage to accentuate his brooding intensity, a la Tony Curtis and Rudolph Valentino, his favorite movie actors." However, some accounts also relate that Elvis was frightened of homosexuals.
First, Alanna Nash made no such statenment. Second, Natalie Wood is quoted out of context, and the last line is a deliberate misrepresentation. It was in fact the author of the article Byron Raphael who stated that "Elvis was frightened of homosexuals." - Ted Wilkes 15:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, Ted, Alanna Nash is co-author of this article. Significantly, it is clearly said that there were rumors during Elvis's lifetime that Elvis and the guys, i.e. the members of the Memphis Mafia, might be homosexual. I have now included the full quote about Elvis's alleged homosexuality. Onefortyone 03:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Please support your unsubstantiated statement that Alanna Nash is co-author of this article with the full Playboy Magazine by-line. Also, you are on Wikipedia:Probation and your Wikipedia Mentor User:FCYTravis stated here that the External link you keep reinserting is unacceptable. If you violate your Mentor's instructions again, I will report this violation. Ted Wilkes 14:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
To Wikipedia User on Probation Onefortyone: Your linking Byron Raphael's words that Elvis Presley was "frightened of homosexuals" to Homophobia#Internalized_homophobia is a deliberate misrepresentation with your own Personal Opinion that is Wikipedia:No original research.
Deliberate distortions by User on probation, Onefortyone
I removed the following as the quotes are deliberately taken out of context to promote User:Onefortyone's agenda for which he was placed on probation. The entire article presents a completely different picture than what is falsely portrayed here.
- In a 2005 Playboy magazine article, Byron Raphael, a one-time assistant to Presley's manager Colonel Tom Parker claims he worked for Elvis in 1956-57 and he procured countless girls to climb into bed with the star, including well-known movie stars. Raphael also claimed that actress Natalie Wood was upset when Presley refused to have intercourse with her and made a snide remark to members of the Memphis Mafia. Raphael made the unsubstantiated claim that Wood "was not the only one to think Elvis and the guys might be homosexual, especially since Elvis often wore pancake makeup and mascara offstage to accentuate his brooding intensity, a la Tony Curtis and Rudolph Valentino, his favorite movie actors. There were also rumors that Nick Adams swung both ways, just as there had been about Adams’s good pal (and Elvis’s idol) James Dean. Tongues wagged that Elvis and Adams were getting it on. But Elvis was frightened of homosexuals; the Colonel had told him to be on the lookout for them in Hollywood. He was even scared of Lizabeth Scott, the icy blonde who played romantic scenes with him in 1957’s Loving You, since Confidential magazine had recently outed her as a lesbian with a busy little black book."
- Ted Wilkes 18:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
As I stated above, I removed the above text as the quotes are deliberately taken out of context to promote User:Onefortyone's agenda for which he was placed on probation. The entire article presents a completely different picture than what is falsely portrayed here in Onefortyone's continued attempt to portray Elvis Presly as gay. As an example, here are other quotes from the Byron Raphael article:
- "His fame was already such that he couldn’t take a woman to dinner without being mobbed by fans, but that also worked in his favor, helping ensure he'd get laid each night. He simply invited girls to the party he held in his suite every evening at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel."
- "Other members of his entourage could take the blame if an unfortunate pregnancy should arise. That may have happened a few times, as Colonel Parker had several important dinners with the parents of young girls who spent too much time with Elvis. After that, Parker had a directive. “When any girl comes up to Elvis’s room, I want to make sure at least two of you guys are around,” he said. “That way if any problems come up, you can say, ‘Well, we made it with her also.’ ” Any girl who came up to see Elvis — even a famous actress like Monroe — would have to sit around with one of the other guys before she went in alone with Elvis."
- "And. two, he always remembered his mother teaching him that sex before marriage was a sin. One day I brought three young girls into Elvis’s bedroom — a preference he’d indulged since his earliest days on the road, when he sometimes entertained six girls at once."
And as to Presley being "scared of Lizabeth Scott", Onefortyone made sure not to add:
- “Don’t worry, I’m gonna have sex with her,” Elvis shot back nervously, trying to hide his discomfort. And he did try to sweet-talk her to see if he could get her up to the suite and make some time with her. But Scott wanted no part of it. She was a sophisticated, reserved lady — nothing like Elvis’s type — and she knew the guys had put him up to it."
- Ted Wilkes 21:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, Ted, the paragraph you have deleted includes direct quotes from the Playboy article. You cannot deny that, as a whole, the article questions the common view that Elvis was a womanizer. The authors say that "the so-called dangerous rock-and-roll idol was anything but a despotic ruler in the bedroom" and "really wasn’t all that keen on doing the wild thing. He was far more interested in heavy petting and panting and groaning" and "he would never put himself inside one of these girls. Within minutes he’d be asleep." It should also be noted that Priscilla Presley, in her book, Elvis and Me, relates that Elvis told her that he didn't make love to Anita Wood the whole four years he went with her. In her book, Child Bride, Suzanne Finstad also confirms that Elvis hated sex. These are the published facts. Onefortyone 05:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Making fun and denegrating Religious beliefs
To: User:Onefortyone - Anita Wood is a Pentecostal and an active member who teaches in her church. She adheres to her Church doctrine that states that "pre-marital sex is a sin." Do not, under any circumstanxces, make fun or denegrate people's religious beliefs be they Cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad or the teaching of the Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, and numerous other major world religions. - Ted Wilkes 14:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Truth be told, Ted, I do not think that I made fun or denigrated people's religious beliefs, as you falsely claim. In her book Elvis and Me, Priscilla Presley relates that Elvis told her that he didn't make love to Anita Wood the whole four years he went with her. "Just to a point," he said. "Then I stopped. It was difficult for her too, but that's just how I feel." So it seems as if Anita Wood wanted more. Onefortyone 15:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
NOTICE: Wikipedia:Copyright problems
User:Onefortyone inserted copyrighted material as he stated above: "direct quotes from the Playboy article". - 14:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Contributions to Wikipedia articles are expected to provide citations to secondary sources which support the edit. This permits readers to put the claims to a better test by consulting the cited work. In principle, citation implies that there are other editors who may expand and improve the article in question. Therefore, short quotes from diverse sources are very helpful. You seem to be the only person who frequently deletes such quotes, if they do not support your personal opinion. Onefortyone 15:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
This paragraph should not be deleted
I think that the following paragraph includes some interesting eye-witness accounts concerning the Memphis Mafia:
- A 2005 Playboy magazine article by Byron Raphael and Alanna Nash relates that Raphael, an assistant to Presley's manager Colonel Tom Parker, worked for Elvis in 1956-57 and procured several girls to climb into bed with the star, including some well-known movie stars. This was also one of the tasks of the men from the Memphis Mafia, as many girls wanted to get in close touch with the star. On p.172 of her memoir, Breathing Out (2005), model and actress Peggy Lipton writes that Elvis "was virtually impotent" and that she felt trapped in his bed as she "couldn't just amble out into the next room to get a breath because all his guys were in the front of the suite gearing up for show time. I could hear their piercing laughter and loud voices against the background of the blaring TV." According to Raphael's eye-witness account, actress Natalie Wood was upset when Presley refused to have sexual intercourse with her. She made a snide remark to the members of the Memphis Mafia that she "was not the only one to think Elvis and the guys might be homosexual, especially since Elvis often wore pancake makeup and mascara offstage to accentuate his brooding intensity ..." The authors add that "tongues wagged" that Elvis and his best friend Nick Adams "were getting it on."
It is clearly shown that one of the tasks of the men around Elvis was to procure girls for the singer. Peggy Lipton relates that Elvis and the guys from the Memphis Mafia were living close together. There can be no doubt that they were the singer's intimite friends and even around Elvis when he tried to make love to a girl in his bed. Natalie Wood's remark is not unimportant in this context, as she and some other people were thinking that the guys around Presley were homosexual. This was not mentioned before in the article. Onefortyone 01:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- This clearly shows that Playboy printed an article by one ex-mafioso in which he claims that he procured girls. In the passage, Lipton relates that the mafiosi were close by, not that they lived there. They were in the next room. Homosexuality seems to be a red herring, though it's one that you seem particularly fond of. If some article in Playboy says that "tongues wagged" that such and such, this is not encyclopedic. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, Onefortyone. It's not WikiHollywoodBabylon. However, the software is freely available, and anyone is welcome to fork off and create his or her own WikiHollywoodBabylon, full of tittle-tattle about celebs great and small "getting it on". -- Hoary 14:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have quoted what is written in two independent, and published, sources. Alanna Nash, co-author of the article entitled "In Bed with Elvis", which appeared in November 2005 in Vol. 52, Iss. 11, of Playboy, p.64-68, 76, 140, is a reputed Presley biographer and certainly a reliable source. The content of a Wikipedia article should be based on such material, not on your personal agenda to remove content which is not in line with your personal view. As you can see, I have now also added the exact page numbers to my quotes from Guralnick, Humphries, and Capeci. Several other passages were included by User:Ted Wilkes who didn't cite his sources. However, I do not think that all this material should be removed from the article. Onefortyone 16:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have to look at what you've done, because you generally don't bother to write edit summaries. So, The content of a Wikipedia article should be based on such material: you mean sensational articles ("In Bed with Elvis"!) in monthly magazines about peripheral aspects of celebrities. I see. (i) What's the significance to his music (or even his crap films, or to anything else) of who and how Presley had sex with? (ii) Do you have any interest in the goal of concision, or do you think one should shovel in as large a quantity of this "material" as possible? -- Hoary 23:39, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps we can work out the dispute and find a compromise. The content of the article should be based on material written in published sources, particularly books and articles written by Elvis biographers. In my opinion, it is not unimportant what has been written in the Playboy article. The authors clearly say that there were claims by different people during Presley's lifetime that Elvis and the Memphis Mafia might have been homosexual. This was not mentioned before and is worth a short notice at the end of the Wikipedia article, perhaps in a rumors or trivia section if you like. The Lipton quote shows that the Memphis Mafia members were close by even when Elvis was in bed with a woman. I have now also rearranged the relationships section of the Elvis Presley article, adding some further material. I think that the life of a singer and his personal relationships are equally important as the music sections in a biographical article. Onefortyone 20:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Reformatted article for summary style, reorganized information for flow. Took out trivia as that is looked down upon for 'good' article and there is wikiquote among other resources where trivia would go. More work needs to be done with the language and organization though. --Northmeister 03:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Recent edits to format and format title's; and the taking out of the template related to Elvis Presley are not edits meant to be helpful but disruptive. If the editor in question "Onefortyone" wishes to help out - I would ask he work with the community here by submitting his edits below for commentary and that he offer a reason for the removal of the template. Undoing a cleaned up version and reverting to a previous version without comment on talk is not cordial editing or showing good faith to others both violations of wikipedia editing practices and disrupting behavior. We are all here to give a good article - lets work in harmony here without phrases like "parasites". --Northmeister 04:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This article and why reverting myself
Until cordial editing is done by user Onefortyone or the community deals with his editing patterns I will no longer involve myself in this article and let his repeated patterns continue unabated. There is ample record for future editors to explore before attempting cleanup and NPOV here - I invite all concerned party's to cleanup this article and restore its encylopedic nature - and wish them the best. Expect namecalling, false accusations, and edit wars if you try to do anything proper with the article. If you need assistance - just drop me a line. --Northmeister 05:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
"it's all plagiarised"
In this series of edits, Onefortyone added a pile of . . . let's say, material to the article. Sample:
- She made a snide remark to the members of the Memphis Mafia that she "was not the only one to think Elvis and the guys might be homosexual, especially since Elvis often wore pancake makeup and mascara offstage to accentuate his brooding intensity, à la Tony Curtis and Rudolph Valentino, his favorite movie actors."<ref>Raphael and Nash, "In Bed with Elvis," ''Playboy'', November 2005.</ref> Even Martin Lacker confirms that in the early years in Hollywood, "a lot of people thought" that the Memphis Mafia members "were all gay."<ref>Alanna Nash, ''Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia'', p.195.</ref>
Let's put aside for a moment the question of whether this is encyclopedic information or merely titillating infotainment, and instead look at the next edit. In it, ElvisFan1981 reverts these edits by Onefortyone, with the remarkable edit summary:
- None of this is original writing, it's all plagiarised.... any more of it and a full investigation into plagiarism will be sought.
- You can be certain that the material is accurately cited. The only problem is that some Elvis fans tend to delete well-sourced contributions. Onefortyone (talk) 23:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see any plagiarism here. However, 141, the quotes are way too long and as such, unencyclopedic (whatever one may think of their content, doesn't matter). Is there some way you could cut them down, through neutral paraphrase and hence, blend them more smoothly into the article's narrative voice? If you could do this, it would be much easier for editors to think of them as encyclopedic content: The worry here wouldn't be what the published sources say, since en.WP isn't about truth, it's about verifiability and then echoing sources (which readers can verify for themselves if they like) in a neutral way. Gwen Gale (talk) 11:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)