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- 1 putting out the candles
- 2 Chanukkiyah as planets?
- 3 Rename proposal
- 4 Name of Eliezer Ben Yehuda's wife
- 5 Chanukkiyah Versus Menorah
- 6 Questionable content in Origins section
- 7 Hanukkiyah/Chanukkiyah or Hanukkah Menorah?
- 8 Tradition/Legend/Whatever
- 9 Eight branches? No, nine!
- 10 External links are all to one menorah sales site
- 11 Seven or Nine branches?
- 12 Symbolic Meaning
- 13 valid sources?
putting out the candles
I have removed "Unlike other candles which may extinguished if desired, Hanukkah candles are always left to burn to the end." I cannot think of any other candles lit for a religious propose which may e put out (shabbos candles certainly can't - havdalah of course can). Also in a case of need one can put out cahnukah candles, so long as it was already lit long enough. Jon513 15:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Chanukkiyah as planets?
I don't think that's a very credible theory. It has no basis in Jewish tradition whatsoever, and the "traditional" planets numbered five. --OneTopJob6 21:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- You were correct in removing it. However, Josephus mentions this theory in regards to the menorah (often confused with a Chanukkiyah) in The Wars of the Jews book V. It is already mentioned in that article but it quotes Antiquities of the Jews Book III. I do not know if it is also mentioned there. Jon513 20:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- ok. Jon513 08:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Name of Eliezer Ben Yehuda's wife
Shouldn't we name Eliezer Ben Yehuda's wife, as it is she herself who is important in this instance, not her husband. Apparently he had two wives during his life , so I don't know which one is referred to here, so I can't do it myself. zafiroblue05 | Talk 18:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Chanukkiyah Versus Menorah
Questionable content in Origins section
I deleted this text last week from the Origins section, and it has been added back in. I question the inclusion of (1) a belief of a Christian nature in an article on a Jewish ritual object, that (2) lacks sources (before someone tags the section with [according to whom?]).
Some believe the lampstand mentioned in the previous text alludes to the seven-branched candelabrum that God described to Moses in Exodus 25:31-40 with the two witnesses (annointed ones) from Revelation 11:3-4. Therefore the nine-branched candelabrum is lit in preparation for the second coming of Christ.
Hanukkiyah/Chanukkiyah or Hanukkah Menorah?
In the past I've been told off for calling it a Hanukkah Menorah, and that I should only call it Hanukkiyah or Chanukkiyah. I can't quote any reasoning for this, and I no longer know where the person who told it to me is. Can anybody shed light on the correctness of the names? In any case, it seems that Humus sapiens hasn't done the proposed change. Groogle (talk) 03:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with your first point. I have always been told that the 8-branched one is called the Hanukia (like Hanukkah, many different spellings exist), and the 7 branched one, the menorah, is a general candle-holder, which was used in the Temple as well as for common uses (such as Shabbat). I was told that the constant use of "menorah" for Hanukkah was a mistake by the media which caught on. The article sites no sources for what is says (in fact, it sites almost no sources). Before saying "the article explains it all", we should look for some sources. Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information unless sources are cited. Haxor9 (talk) 18:26, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Should the article be revised to point out that the story of the eight days of oil is tradition rather than verified history, or would such a thing only belong in the Hanukkah article itself? BBrucker2 (talk) 15:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Eight branches? No, nine!
This article says that the Hanukkah menorah is eight-branched. The menorah has nine branches—eight for the days of Hanukkah, but also one for the shamash.--Stuart2135simon (talk) 08:49, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
At the moment, all the links in the external links section are to one site, which is selling menorahs. While they do in fact have a good variety of menorahs to look at there, the long list and exclusive links to that site give the impression of the Wiki article being used as an advertisement and table of contents for their commercial site. That is against wiki policy: Wikipedia:External_links. I don't know the Wiki system well enough to post a flag about this, and I didn't feel comfortable just deleting their links. What do more advanced users think about this? Hammerquill (talk) 22:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Seven or Nine branches?
How about some Biblical references? Here is one from Exodus:
"And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same. And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side: Three bowls made like unto almonds, with a knop and a flower in one branch; and three bowls made like almonds in the other branch, with a knop and a flower: so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick. And in the candlestick shall be four bowls made like unto almonds, with their knops and their flowers. And there shall be a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, according to the six branches that proceed out of the candlestick. Their knops and their branches shall be of the same: all it shall be one beaten work of pure gold. And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it." (Exodus 25:31-37 KJV)
Not being Jewish, I was looking up this article to get some brief information (just a starting point) about the traditionally accepted symbolic meanings/interpretations behind the menorah. I understand there is, as with any healthy ritual, more meaning that words can pin down in a brief wiki entry, but perhaps even a highly self-reflexive and preliminary statement of a few traditional views of the symbolism behind the menorah would be helpful...I mean just as a starting point for further exploration. As it is now, the only thing that touches on it is its anecdotal history section.
Update: OH, I see, it is explained under the more general article of Hanukka, under origins. Is there a way of pointing to it from this article?
Modern menorot, menorot with less-traditional designs, are gaining in popularity with hundreds of new designs coming out since 2007.<ref>http://ifitshipitshere.blogspot.com/2008/11/mongo-modern-menorah-list-over-140-hip.html</ref> There are websites dedicated to celebrating the modern menorah.<ref>http://www.moderntribe.com/judaica/modern_menorahs</ref> One popular type of modern menorah is the modular menorah: menorot made up of several different pieces which can be re-arranged each of the eight nights of Hanukkah. To be kosher, one candle holder sits higher than the others for the shamash, the worker candle, the one which is used to light the other candles.<ref>http://www.moderntribe.com/cms/modern_modular_menorahs</ref>
Are the sources mentioned in the article as references truly credible encyclopaedic sources? One a blog, and the other an online store? To me they fail the citation test. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:34, 8 January 2012 (UTC)