Talk:Messapian language

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Some of the few words presented here are very similar to presentday Albanian. Aran - arën, the (cultivated) field (as accusative object) Aprodita - afërdita, the dawn, also used as a girls' name Klauhi - quaj, call Mazzes - (i) madh, big

More about the relations between Messapian and Albanian in this site: http://www.gjuha-shqipe.com/english/content/about_albanian/history.html

LM 217.209.140.193 03:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed from the Albanian language because the source was not given and the IP contributed a text with numerous errors:

Messapian Proto-Albanian Albanian meaning bili(v)a birlā bijë, bilë daughter brendon "deer" brina bri, pl. brirë horn, antler grahis, graiva grāwā grua, pl. gra woman, wife klaohi "listen" klāusnja quaj, quej to call kos kusa kush who skero (Salentine Greek) skirā hirrë whey veinam "self" swam > wa u reflexive clitic pronoun

swaja vehte self 

venas wana uri, û (Gheg dial. unja) hunger —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa the Sociopath (talkcontribs) 10:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Centum or Satem[edit]

I want to know how come is written that Messapic is Centum while seeing the sources (not the ones on the article because there are not) and the phonetic rules it looks like a satem language?. Aigest (talk) 15:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

This passage[edit]

I read sources years ago saying that this passage is probably mostly names: I will bold at least some of them that look like names to me:

klohi zis (=Zeus?) thotoria marta pido vastei basta veinan aran in daranthoa vasti (?) staboos xohedonas (?) daxtassi (?) vaanetos (Venetic v.a.nt.s, name) inthi trigonoxo a staboos xohetthihi dazimaihi beiliihi inthi rexxorixoa kazareihi xohetthihi toeihithi dazohonnihi inthi vastima daxtas kratheheihi inthi ardannoa poxxonnihi a imarnaihi

---I will find more info showing why I think those are names, but I want to find the sources that I remember so I can source it in the article. I am so sure that the observation that is is mostly names is agreed upon, I will add that info ahead of time. Alex (talk) 01:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Some apparent first names?: Daranthoa, Rexxorixoa, Ardannoa, Thotoria, Dachtas (?; written Daxtas), Vaanetos. Alex (talk) 02:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, dazimaihi and dazohonnihi have been accepted as Messapic names related to Illyrian and Thracian Dasius,Dazaios, Dazas, Dazos Aigest (talk) 11:38, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

If you come across studies of Venetic/Messapic names in common, add that to the article. Besides those in common three ways (Mess.; Illyr.; Venet.), I've noticed some that I can't find in Illyrian: Mold- (Venetic Moldo, Moldonkeo, etc/Messapic Moldahtas), V.an.t.s/Vaanetos etc. Alex (talk) 11:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Messapic cognates[edit]

Above Brundis is even bilia (daughter) connected to Alb bir(son) (while Old Alb bila) as Hamp here [1] Aigest (talk) 11:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

While another cognate is Jupiter Menzanas the horse deity of the Messapians, apparently with cognates in Illyrian mandos, Albanian maz, mëz(ponny) and Thracian Mezenai Aigest (talk) 12:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Removed text[edit]

The text below was added by an anonymous editor, & lacks citations -- or even a clear point for inclusion. -- llywrch (talk) 16:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

 kaj Ziut                            
 Dekias Artahias
 Thautori en nderr 
 Gjithe venit
 (connected with gheg albanian) 
 Thautorri probably means ruler, or king.