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Untitled[edit]

The Jigsaw Man The link to "The Jigsow Man" in the Filmography points to a short science fiction story by Larry Niven rather than to a page on the (dreadful) movie starring Michael Caine and Lawrence Olivier.

Photo[edit]

Are you kidding me?? A waxwork image?? Come on, people... 69.139.159.250 07:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL!!!! Oh my God that picture was so ludicrously, appallingly, embarrassingly bad I had to get rid of it. Is this really what Wikipedia has come to, surely someone can do better?! NobleWarrior 14.49, 23 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by NobleWarrior (talkcontribs)
You'd better get rid of it again because it's back, an a lotta people av seen it! LOL! 'Arry Boy (talk) 15:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Deleted filmography[edit]

I still don't get it. Why would anyone want to delete information that is already there and that has been checked and double-checked? Why is a bare minimum filmography more encyclopaedic than an annotated one? --KF 14:08, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

As far as I am concerned, I am not aware of having deleted information.
Chris K 15:01, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Well, during your first edit today you removed from the list below everything except film title and year. I am just wondering why. For uniformity's sake? Because you think it's irrelevant? I think that as long as we don't have a separate entry on, say, Half Moon Street it might be interesting for users to learn a bit more than just the absolute minimum. I also believe that cross references is what a good encyclopaedia should be all about.

Selected filmography[edit]

(the IMDb lists 131 films)

KF 20:12, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, KF,

I did not remember that I deleted the comments in Michael Caine's "Selected filmography". I thought it was another actor's article where I did that, as I am working on several actors at a time. Again, I deleted it for uniformity. Ich finde, diese Kommentare gehören in die Artikel der jeweiligen Filme, aber nicht in die Liste, wie sie selbst sagen. Und so wird es auch im allgemeinen in den "Listen" gemacht, wo nur Jahreszahl(en) erscheinen. Um einheitlich zu bleiben, würde ich auch keine weiteren Kommentare bei den Filmen hinzufügen über die es noch keinen Artikel gibt. In Ihrer Liste von Filmen haben ja die meisten schon einen Artikel, und dennoch stehen Kommentare bei etlichen dieser Filme. In any case, this is a team work, and you are not going to have any problem with me. If you want to add again the comments, I will certainly respect it. However, please, leave the list sorted as it is now, from the most recent films down to the oldest, as it is the rule in Wikipedia. Chris K 08:01, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I haven't changed anything and I'm not going to. Basically I think I don't care about uniformity because it will never be achieved: Just look at the articles on (a random list) Audrey Hepburn, Gary Cooper, Marilyn Monroe, Charlie Chaplin or Mia Farrow. Looks like a lot of work (for you?). All the best, KF 10:15, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Birthplace[edit]

I think he was born in Bermondsey (which isn't really East End of London) Secretlondon 13:35, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)

Accent[edit]

Is his accent really cockney? It sounds more SE London to me (although very nasal), which would fit in more with being born in Rotherhithe and brought up in Camberwell (both of which are South of the River, although you might just be able to hear Bow Bells from Rotherhithe if you listen very closely...)

I think that his accent has changed a bit, not by much though. I think he is rather speaking with an Estuary English accent, which is a midway between RP and Cockney. Tjúlla 13:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I'd add this for the many surfers who may make the mistake. The real cockneys live not in the Eastend as we know it today but east in the City of London. The Bow Bells location was in Cheapside which is just to the east of St Pauls Cathedral, South of London Wall and just north of Cannon street and Southwark Bridge. Many people mistake Cockneys as being further East of the city due to the area known as Bow which is way out past Stepney and Whitechapel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.227.166 (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Gypsy roots[edit]

I have heard that Michael Caine is a Gypsy / Romanichal - any thoughts? The article for Bob Hoskins does mention his Roma heritage so I personally think it would be useful here ref: http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm 81.77.78.217 18:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

...... I have never heard of a Romanichal family with the surname Micklewhite. It is possible that his family had a travelling past but not a Romani one. The trades of his parents were also not typical Romani occupations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.227.166 (talk) 17:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It's an assertion you can find all over the web, along with attempts to rubbish it. Clearly one doesn't leap to claim Romani ancestry as one might with another background, so who knows. For whatever reason he appears on the list of famous Romnichal. However google tells me Micklewhite is a Yorkshire name (from Micklethwaite). Hakluyt bean (talk) 21:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

"Dad was part Gypsy." Michael Caine, My Autobiography: The Elephant to Hollywood (Hodder & Stoughton, 2011), p. 17. --Nychtopouli (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Lost sibling[edit]

"Some time after his mother died, Caine and his younger brother learned they had an elder half-brother, named David. He suffered from severe epilepsy and had been kept in hospital his entire life. Although their mother regularly visited her first son in hospital, even her husband did not know the child existed."

I note that the film 'Last Orders' contains a sub-plot which is not dissimilar to this, where Caine's character is father to a disabled child who is disowned by all but her mother; is this coincidental or was Caine interested in the role for this reason, perhaps? Ndaisley 15:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Korea & time in army[edit]

Why is there nothing about this? In his autobiography it gives some details of this and some important information about the development of a new drug used to treat malaria with which 'Caine' was treated. (Sasquatchuk 00:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC))

"Not a lot of people know that"[edit]

Since Peter Sellers died in 1980, I find it unlikely that he quoted a line from a 1983 movie in order to impersonate Michael Caine.-DrGeoduck 22:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It was the other part that was wrong. I don't know if Caine actually said the line in Educating Rita, but the phrase pre-dates the film. I remember seeing Sellers on Parkinson doing this impression and explaining the bit about the answer machine. JW 20:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Doing a little scanning around, I found suggestions that Michael Caine had in fact never said the quote until the film you mentioned above. I also found reference (which I can't quote here) to Roger Moore being the originator of the quote. Just google for the quote with " either side of it, you'll find the same as I did
"The much-repeated catchphrase “Not a lot of people know that” was actually coined by Peter Sellers when he did an impression of Caine on Michael Parkinson's show in 1972. Eleven years later Caine was given the line to say as an in-joke in Educating Rita."
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article3545854.ece 78.86.230.62 (talk) 20:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Strange choices for Filmography[edit]

So, such classics as Miss Congeniality and Austin Powers in Goldmember are included in his "main filmography", but The Quiet American (2002 film) isn't included, even though Caine received a best actor Oscar nomination for it. Seems odd. Psychonaut3000 03:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The whole idea of a "main filmography" seems like a bad idea. These templates have started appearing on other actor articles. I've edited a couple to make them a bit more representative, but it's still a matter of opinion what goes in and what doesn't. JW 14:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Present life[edit]

How about more on what he does now? He owns a few restaraunts, one of which is opposite his flat, and apparently he does all his cooking there. In his own words, its his kitchen.--nocturnal omnivorous canine 19:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I assume you mean other than filming? If so, you should clarify. He's still active in movies, there's two in the pipeline (one in post and the other being filmed) so you'd better mean other than filming :-P 78.86.230.62 (talk) 20:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

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His name[edit]

He was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in 1993 for services to drama, and in 2000 he was knighted, becoming Sir Maurice Micklewhite. Unlike many actors who adopt their stage name for everyday use, Caine still uses his real name when he is not working.

Comment: His (auto?) biography, which I recently saw in a bookshop, is entitled "Sir Michael Caine". So it seems he uses this name not just on the stage. -- JackofOz (talk) 08:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe he changed his name legally to "Michael Caine" after being knighted, due to the hassle having two names causes at the airport. This was mentioned in a CBC interview on "Writers and Company." 96.52.232.100 (talk) 00:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

That's consistent with the following sentence in Awards and Honours:
  • " ... in the 2000 New Year Honours he was knighted as Sir Maurice Micklewhite, CBE. (Such awards must be conferred upon recipients' legal names, and Caine had not yet abandoned his birth name.)"
.. which seems to suggest that after his knighthood, he did change his name, as you say. It would be good to find a cite that goes into details about this.
However, in the meantime, in Personal life we have the contradictory statement:
  • "Unlike many actors who adopt their stage name for everyday use, Caine still uses his real name when he is not working."
I wonder if we can at least not say contradictory things. I'd change it, but I have no way of knowing which of these 2 very different stories is the right one. -- JackofOz (talk) 04:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Once knighted would he be a Knight Commander of the British Empire and thus have the post-nominal letters KCBE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.48.212.48 (talk) 15:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

No, because he's a Knight Bachelor, which doesn't have any postnominals of its own (and the ones for Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire are KBE, not KCBE). David Underdown (talk) 15:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Korean War[edit]

did he fight in korean war? i see no evidence for this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.177.31.12 (talk) 19:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

See here. Deor (talk) 22:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Meeting his future second wife[edit]

Michael Caine did not meet his wife Shakira on the set of 'the Man Who would Be King'. He first saw her on a TV advert for coffee and was instantly smitten. A friend of his had worked on the ad campaign and arranged an introduction. this story is told in Caine's autobiography 'What's it All About?' 82.10.190.51 (talk) 16:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

This information is also on the Wikipedia entry for Shakira Caine 82.10.190.51 (talk) 20:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Sir Michael's Lowestoft origins[edit]

It does not mention at all in this article Sir Micheal Caine's Lowestoft history. He originally lived in a bed sit and worked in a theatre. Why doesn't someone add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.209.81 (talk) 18:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah a very important missing bit of information.

212.238.53.208 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC).

Ridiculously long sentence[edit]

Do you think any sentence should contain 110 words? Neither do I. Proust on a bad day would consider that excessive. And yet, the second sentence of this article contains 110 words. Go ahead, count them. It just meanders on and on. It's just over the top. Some time soon I'm going to shorten that overly long sentence. SelectSplat (talk) 04:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

He's been active for 53 years, so yes. - Dudesleeper / Talk 09:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Most of that time was probably spent trying to READ the sentence 78.86.230.62 (talk) 20:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Other awards[edit]

Why is there a section for "Other awards" when thers'a already a dedicated article for all the films and awards? Would anyone like to fix this? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 06:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Harry Brown[edit]

No reference whatsoever to his upcoming film? No reference to his critique of how so much worse South London housing has got compared to when he was younger. His comments (see http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/caine%20slams%20rotten%20london%20estates_1097608 ) were actually because of his filming of Harry Brown in the soon-to-be-demolished (thank God!) Heygate estate. 78.86.230.62 (talk) 20:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Born Maurice Joseph Micklewhite, Jr.?[edit]

Was he really called born Maurice Joseph Micklewhite, Jr.? Did he and his family use this particular form of address/name - the 'Junior?' I ask as it's an Americanism very rarely used in the UK - if Caine and his family didn't use it, he shouldn't be called that in this article, just "born Maurice Joseph Micklewhite". The fact that he shared the same name as his father can be made clear in the article. 86.142.104.203 (talk) 11:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Junior is not part of his birth name. Jim Michael (talk) 09:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Oscar nominations in five decades[edit]

The trivia bit in the first paragraph is incorrect -- Laurence Olivier was also nominated for Oscars in five different decades: once in the 30s, three times in the 40s, once in the 50s, twice in the sixties and three times in the seventies. I'm going to change it; if I'm missing something, revert it and 'splain. Steambadger (talk) 16:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry -- I misread the sentence. Never mind. Steambadger (talk) 16:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

BBC Radio 4 Front Row interview[edit]

available for 7 days only http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tyv8c

30 min interview with Mark Lawson

Filmography v career[edit]

Under career it states Michael Caines career began in the 1060's as an assitant stage manager, yet in another artice (Michael Caine filmography; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Caine_filmography) the filmography show Michael Caine as appearing in 12 films below 1960. Something's wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biblo47 (talkcontribs) 05:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

No citation provided to regarding support of George W. Bush[edit]

The article says, "Caine's economic views closely echoed the economic policies of U.S. President George W. Bush, of whom Caine is a supporter." However, the article only cites Caine's periodic support of the British conservative party. Is this comment constructive? If so, should there be evidence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srj76 (talkcontribs) 03:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

The article needs better pictures[edit]

Right now, the article is decorated with three lackluster photos of Michael Caine in his sunset years. He's a handsome old man, but it would have made sense to include at least one picture from his young days. An actor's life is defined in large part by his appearance and film roles. Caine's extreme good looks in his youth, as well as his talent, helped him get breakthrough roles such as the aristocratic officer in ZULU and, later, the title role in ALFIE. A good photo from that period would be appropriate. Younggoldchip (talk) 21:19, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

He never had "extreme good looks". (92.11.201.212 (talk) 09:38, 8 February 2014 (UTC))

Speak for yourself, bud. Younggoldchip (talk) 16:23, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Compilation cassettes[edit]

"Caine claimed that he had been creating chillout mix tapes as an amateur for years" Is this notable? Don't most people do that? I am assuming it means cassettes rather than tapes, BTW. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 03:17, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

In case you have forgotten your UK origins, we normally use the phrase "tape" for cassettes (mostly) and reel-to-reel (less) in modern society.
When specifically mentioning reel-to-reel, we would use the phrase "reel-to-reel", and when referring to cassettes, the terms "cassette" and "tape" are interchangeable. If someone says "I'm taping it" they mean onto a cassette 95% of the time.
That being said, it's "a video" or "a film" for a recorded moving visual-image and a music "track" still, even though both are mostly digital and use neither videotape, film, or tracks on a record.
I always thought that was strange, as a record is one long continuous track - I guess it probably comes from "eight track", though of course they did not have exactly eight songs/tunes on each tape produced :In my thirty years in the music industry, mostly working in recording studios/voiceover, I have always found it irritating that these terms are so strangely used.
Most importantly, a mix tape (or mixtape in your current clime of non-hyphenation) is a specific type of recording, and the tape does not refer to the medium on which it is recorded. It could be a CD, or a USB memory stick (I refuse to call them "drives"!). Chaosdruid (talk) 23:18, 16 May 2014 (UTC)