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Update - Article currently is GA classed after a passed (2nd) nom for GA. Went smoothly with one first failure reccomending better footnotes (which were implemented) and better image tagging, which I did myself. Logical step would be to develop at GA status and then put up for a first FA nom, which will be... interesting, at least in terms of feedback...--I'll bring the food 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Several news sources reporting that Michael Jackson has died after suffering cardiac arrest in Los Angeles. TMZ reports - Pranavaswaroop 22:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Article meets criteria for GA status but does not meet A class, however has not been yet put up for GA nom, ergo B class.--I'll bring the food 08:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - Article currently is GA classed after a passed (2nd) nom for GA. Went smoothly with one first failure reccomending better footnotes (which were implemented) and better image tagging, which I did myself. Logical step would be to develop at GA status and then put up for a first FA nom, which will be... interesting, at least in terms of feedback...--I'll bring the food 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Several news sources reporting that Michael Jackson has died after suffering cardiac arrest in Los Angeles. TMZ reports - Pranavaswaroop 22:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Article meets criteria for GA status but does not meet A class, however has not been yet put up for GA nom, ergo B class.--I'll bring the food 08:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - Article currently is GA classed after a passed (2nd) nom for GA. Went smoothly with one first failure reccomending better footnotes (which were implemented) and better image tagging, which I did myself. Logical step would be to develop at GA status and then put up for a first FA nom, which will be... interesting, at least in terms of feedback...--I'll bring the food 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Several news sources reporting that Michael Jackson has died after suffering cardiac arrest in Los Angeles. TMZ reports - Pranavaswaroop 22:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Article meets criteria for GA status but does not meet A class, however has not been yet put up for GA nom, ergo B class.--I'll bring the food 08:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - Article currently is GA classed after a passed (2nd) nom for GA. Went smoothly with one first failure reccomending better footnotes (which were implemented) and better image tagging, which I did myself. Logical step would be to develop at GA status and then put up for a first FA nom, which will be... interesting, at least in terms of feedback...--I'll bring the food 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Several news sources reporting that Michael Jackson has died after suffering cardiac arrest in Los Angeles. TMZ reports - Pranavaswaroop 22:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Article meets criteria for GA status but does not meet A class, however has not been yet put up for GA nom, ergo B class.--I'll bring the food 08:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - Article currently is GA classed after a passed (2nd) nom for GA. Went smoothly with one first failure reccomending better footnotes (which were implemented) and better image tagging, which I did myself. Logical step would be to develop at GA status and then put up for a first FA nom, which will be... interesting, at least in terms of feedback...--I'll bring the food 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Several news sources reporting that Michael Jackson has died after suffering cardiac arrest in Los Angeles. TMZ reports - Pranavaswaroop 22:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Article meets criteria for GA status but does not meet A class, however has not been yet put up for GA nom, ergo B class.--I'll bring the food 08:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - Article currently is GA classed after a passed (2nd) nom for GA. Went smoothly with one first failure reccomending better footnotes (which were implemented) and better image tagging, which I did myself. Logical step would be to develop at GA status and then put up for a first FA nom, which will be... interesting, at least in terms of feedback...--I'll bring the food 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Several news sources reporting that Michael Jackson has died after suffering cardiac arrest in Los Angeles. TMZ reports - Pranavaswaroop 22:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Article meets criteria for GA status but does not meet A class, however has not been yet put up for GA nom, ergo B class.--I'll bring the food 08:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - Article currently is GA classed after a passed (2nd) nom for GA. Went smoothly with one first failure reccomending better footnotes (which were implemented) and better image tagging, which I did myself. Logical step would be to develop at GA status and then put up for a first FA nom, which will be... interesting, at least in terms of feedback...--I'll bring the food 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Several news sources reporting that Michael Jackson has died after suffering cardiac arrest in Los Angeles. TMZ reports - Pranavaswaroop 22:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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multiple subheadings that indicate material that could be added to complete the article

Article meets criteria for GA status but does not meet A class, however has not been yet put up for GA nom, ergo B class.--I'll bring the food 08:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - Article currently is GA classed after a passed (2nd) nom for GA. Went smoothly with one first failure reccomending better footnotes (which were implemented) and better image tagging, which I did myself. Logical step would be to develop at GA status and then put up for a first FA nom, which will be... interesting, at least in terms of feedback...--I'll bring the food 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Several news sources reporting that Michael Jackson has died after suffering cardiac arrest in Los Angeles. TMZ reports - Pranavaswaroop 22:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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multiple subheadings that indicate material that could be added to complete the article

Article meets criteria for GA status but does not meet A class, however has not been yet put up for GA nom, ergo B class.--I'll bring the food 08:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - Article currently is GA classed after a passed (2nd) nom for GA. Went smoothly with one first failure reccomending better footnotes (which were implemented) and better image tagging, which I did myself. Logical step would be to develop at GA status and then put up for a first FA nom, which will be... interesting, at least in terms of feedback...--I'll bring the food 01:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Several news sources reporting that Michael Jackson has died after suffering cardiac arrest in Los Angeles. TMZ reports - Pranavaswaroop 22:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Q1: Should the article mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim? (No.)

A1: No. The article should not mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim. Jackson had not publicly spoken about his exact religion in a number of years and only spoke about spirituality in general terms. The specific reports of a conversion ceremony for Jackson have been denied by his New York lawyer Londell McMillan.[1] They were also denied by Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens [2] and Dawud Wharnsby [3] who were allegedly present at the ceremony. The Michael Jackson memorial service did not involve any Islamic rites. Without further details from his family or representatives, it will not be included in the article.

Q2: Should we shorten this long article? (No.)

A2: No. This article should not be shortened. Efforts have already been made to keep article length to a minimum, a number of sections have been merged out to other articles but some sections have been brought in through consensus. At one stage the article was 125kb so improvements have been made. The article is sourced over 200 times which is the main reason for the articles size, but this is essential when dealing with a figure such as Jackson.

Q3: Should the "Jacko" nickname mentioned in the lead? (No.)

A3: No. The "Jacko" nickname should not be mentioned in the lead. Past consensus goes against such inclusion. The name is a derogatory term used primarily by US/UK/Australian tabloids. The slogan is discussed in the relevant section of the article.

Q4: Should recent pictures of Jackson be added to the article? (Yes)

A4: Recent pictures of Jackson should only be added to the article if they are specifically released as copyright free. Wikipedia has strict rules regarding the use of pictures. Pictures must be "free" or have a sufficient Fair Use Rationale for their inclusion in the article. Please note, you cannot simply take "Fair Use" pictures from other articles and bring them here. A new "Fair Use Rationale" must be provided for every article a picture is used on. Because of this rule we made as long as we have a free image fair-use images cannot be used, even if would be more appropriate.

Q5: Should the article mention that Jackson made up the "King of Pop" nickname himself? (No.)

A5: No. Reports started referring to the nickname as "self-proclaimed" after a controversy over the marketing of the "Black or White" video in 1991. References to Jackson as a king of pop, or other music, appear up to 7 years before that in non-promotional articles. You would need to come up with a reference (such as an admission from one of Jackson's publicists) that he requested the use of the nickname before reporters are known to have started using it.

Q6: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer/blindness/liver disease/AIDS, etc.? (No.)

A6: No. The article should not mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer/blindness/liver disease/AIDS, etc. Until such claims are confirmed by a Jackson representative it will not go in the article at all. These claims are largely fabricated by tabloids.

Q7: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had a secret child called Omer Bhatti? (No.)

A7: No. This claim was denied by Bhatti [4] and only a DNA test would resolve the matter.

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Rawlinson, Linnie (June 25, 2009). "Jackson dies, almost takes Internet with him". CNN. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/26/michael.jackson.internet/index.html.
Boyd, E.B. (June 27, 2009). "Wikipedia Tech Team Learns About King of Pop, Rock, and Soul Death When Their Servers Crash". Mediabistro.com. http://www.mediabistro.com/baynewser/wikipedia/wikipedia_tech_team_learns_about_king_of_pops_death_when_their_servers_crash_120046.asp.
Shiels, Maggie (June 28, 2009). "Web slows after Jackson's death". BBC News. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8120324.stm.
Cohen, Noam (June 26, 2009). "With Jackson Entry, Wikipedia May Have Set a Record". The New York Times. http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06//with-jackson-entry-wikipedia-may-have-set-a-record/.
Cohen, Noam (July 19, 2009). "Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, but It’s a Desert for Photos". The New York Times. http://nytimes.com/2009/07/20/arts/20funny.html.
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Michael Jackson's religion was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on 16 November 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Michael Jackson. The original page is now a redirect to here. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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[edit] Number of siblings

There are in fact 10 Jackson siblings... Michael is the eighth. His younger brother, Brandon, died shortly after birth. I'm not able to edit this and it's frustrating! The article actually says he's the eighth after saying he's the seventh.

Actually, there are eleven Jacksons, if you count Joe Jackson's illegitimate daughter Joh'Vonnie Jacksons. But who's counting?

[edit] Possible Wikipedia article on Paris Jackson

Is it possible for an article to be created for the middle child, Paris? She is starring in a movie based on a fantasy novel and has done television interviews related to the film. As of now, unlike her two brothers, she is now no longer just famous for being the offspring of another famous person.

[edit] Joe not Joseph

Michael Jackson's middle name was NOT Joseph. It was simply Joe. I know this for a fact because his brother states this in a biography he wrote about his brother called "You are not alone Michael" The press assumed his middle name was Joseph because that was his fathers name, but their father was often referred to as Joe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.75.52 (talk) 08:53, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Pls see here and here.Moxy (talk) 05:30, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Genealogy of Michael Jackson

I've just prepared a family tree of Michael Jackson. It is not perfect yet, but I think it is sourced enough to be acceptable on Wikipedia.

« Jack » July « GALE » ^[5]
Choctaw native American from Gale plantation

Israel Nero « JACK’S SON »^[2]^[3]^[4]
(1838-1934)
slave

Gina
black slave

Samuel JACKSON^[1]
(1893 – February 12, 1992)

Emmeline WILLIAMS^[6]
(1845-????)
native American^[7]

« Joe » Joseph Walter JACKSON
(July 26, 1928 in Fountain Hill)
boxer, musician, talent manager

?????? KING

Crystal Lee KING
(1907 – February 12, 1992)

??????

Mattie DANIEL
(1864-1937)
cotton worker^[8]^[9]^[10]

Michael Joseph JACKSON
(August 29, 1958 in Gary – June 25, 2009 in Los Angeles)
singer, songwriter, dancer, actor

Prince SCREWS
(c. 1827 – after 1880 in Jernigan)^[11]
cotton farmer

Prince Vis SCREWS
(November 1, 1878 – November 20, 1933)
cotton farmer

Mary ETTA
(c. 1848 – March 20, 1920 in Russell County)

Prince Albert SCRUSE
(October 16, 1907 in Jernigan – January 21, 1997 in Chicago)

George JORDAN
(1853-????)

Julia Bell JORDAN
(July 15, 1888 – August 4, 1941)

Sallie

Katherine Esther SCRUSE
(May 4, 1930 in Barbour County)

Jonas UPSHAW

Daniel UPSHAW

Minerva

« Mattie » Martha Bridget UPSHAW
(December 14, 1907 – April 29, 1990 in Los Angeles)

Jeanette BROWN

I had prepared the same family tree for the French page and I just translated it into English.

The thing is Karl 334 told me it could be better on a new article with a link to this one because it makes the article too cluttered. I think it would do better on the Jackson family article with a new chapter about the Jacksons' ancestry. There is also another family tree on French article Famille Jackson about the members of the family, which I want to translate and integrate here.

I would like to know what you all think about that...

Keckel (talk) 19:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

A lot of the sources are blogs and fan sites, so I'd find some more reliable sources. Also, in my opinion you may want to consider adding the family tree to the Jackson family article, which is about his family whereas this article is about Jackson the person. szyslak (t) 03:24, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Agree, quite a few sourcing issues here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:40, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

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