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75.209.210.3 07:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Apparently, Philippe Kahn never was in litigation with Truong. Kahn seemed to always have treated Truong as a respected elder. I is other members of the Micral team that apparently entered litigation.

MICRAL SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT - Early years - 1973/1975[edit]

I knows very well years from 1973 to 1980 because and begining period of micro-computing (8008-8080-8085-Z80-6800, ...). On 1973, I have been the second customer to buy MICRAL (6 units for 230 000 F) and I have been waiting for the first prototype to be ready ... for some few months. I never met M Philippe Kahn (Borland) during this period. The software has been writen by M Benchetrit who suddenly died on 1975. In fact at this period M KAHN was a mathematics teacher and was unable to write any program in assembly language ! ... I used MICRAL to design test equipments from 1973 to 1980 and write many program in assembly language and owns some pictures to demonstrate that I'am right ... I met many times Philippe Kahn, later this period on 1980 (one day long in France) and in Las Vegas (on 1981 or 1982) and it will be fair to correct wrong affirmations for the thruth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Klebar59 (talkcontribs) 07:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

This article [The Big Picture] says "...in France, Kahn worked on Pascal under Niklaus Wirth in Zurich and was a programmer for the Intel-based Micral,...". It's unclear whether he worked on writing a Pascal compiler or wrote programs using one, and whether he worked for the company that developed the Micral or simply bought one (or worked for someone who bought one) and wrote programs for it. But someone "receiving the equivalent of a PhD in mathematics" (or merely a masters) should certainly be capable of writing compilers and programming in assembly. It would be nice to find a source that addressed this question with more than a single sentence. James Wallace was going to write a book on him, but ended up with a second book on Bill Gates instead. In Overdrive: Bill Gates and the Race to Control Cyberspace, on page 241 Wallace writes about Kahn's background in France: die-hard socialist father, mother an Auschwitz survivor, promising math student with a passion for music who dropped out of university in Zurich after reading Walden and disappeared into the Pyrenees to tend goats, practice music and contemplate his future. A year later he came down from the mountains to teach math. Bought an Apple II (now we're past the prime of the Micral), moved to California in 1982 at age 30, with a tourist visa, karate black belt and $5,000 borrowed from his dad to be a part of the PC revolution, leaving wife and two daughters back home at an artists' colony in south France. No mention of Micral. You would think that would be notable. Traf-O-Data is certainly a notable event in Gates & Allen's background... Wbm1058 (talk) 20:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC) updated Wbm1058 (talk) 14:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Micral or MCM/70?[edit]

Both of these machines were apparently released in 1973. CHM gives precedence to Micral, but fails to mention the MCM. IEEE gives precedence to MCM. Can we clarify? Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I have answered my own question. Although both efforts started at about the same time, the Micral definitely shipped first. The MCM/70 production versions didn't ship until mid-to-late 1974, according to Zbigniew Stachniak. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The date seems wrong[edit]

This article states that the machine's design was completed in December 1972, and started shipping in February 1973. I do not think this is possible. Sample quantities of the 8008 did not ship until April 1973, according to many references that state this. Does anyone have a references stating that the 8008 shipped in any sort of production quantities before this date? Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia itself, the Intel 8008 was "introduced in April 1972". Intel "put it in their catalog in April 1972 priced at $120." Seems plenty of time between April and December to get it designed... This article says Micral development started in June... don't confuse the processor with its successor Intel 8080 - Wbm1058 (talk) 20:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)