Talk:Microsoft Visual Studio Express
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- 1 C++ Redistributables
- 2 Merge
- 3 What's missing from Express over paid for versions
- 4 Free in its true micro$oft sense
- 5 Visual Studio Express 2008
- 6 Visual Studio 2008 Express Editions RTM'ed
- 7 Fair use rationale for Image:Vsplusplus 2005 beta2.png
- 8 What am I missing?
- 9 Is Microsoft killing the 2005 edition?
- 10 C# Express Edition
- 11 Reads like an advertisement
- 12 Evaluation/Commercial use
It seems like there are now some type of C++ redistributables, which are discussed as being a limitation in the C++ section. Link here: []
There are redistributables for the New C runtimes, and end users don't need to have VS Express installed to run the binaries compiled with this program. Every program compiled with VS (any version) needs the proper C runtimes to exceute (just like you need VBRunXXX.dll for basic programs), you don't notice this unless you don't have the required version of the runtime dlls. Windows XP doesn't ship with the newer versions, so you get this error. It's up to the author of the software to include them. I'm going to remove the whole section later on. -VampyreDark 20:35, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed that the various articles such as Visual C Sharp 2005 Express Edition be merged with this one, apart from the fact they are very similar products from the same family, the articles even have some identical text! Martin 18:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think it is a very good idea. --ElementoX 01:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- The article states Visual Studio Express C++ can do win32, but can it do x64? --Anonymous 14:34 Nov 15, 2006 (MST)
- answer: on http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/products/compare/
What exactly is different from the major Visual Studio? Any specifics we can add to the article?
What's missing from Express over paid for versions
The article describes what the restrictions are for Visual Express SQL but not for the other languages; it would be interesting (and consistent) to give a list of restrictions for each of the Visual Express packages.
Apepper 19:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I added a few limitations to VB Express, however I think there are more which I don't yet understand. Anyone who wants to look into it further check out my source: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/b4z62wxz(VS.80).aspx 22.214.171.124 11:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
The Visual C++ 2008 Express section quotes from MS that "Applications utilizing either MFC or ATL require the Standard Edition or higher, and will not compile with the Express Edition." It is however possible to source ATL 3.0/3.1 from older PSDKs such as the Windows PSDK 2003 R2. ATL 3 compiles with minimal workarounds in both VC Express 2005 and 2008. It should read that ATL is not supported, rather then it will not compile. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
The article says that OpenMP is not supported in Visual C++ Express, but it is, it's simply not enabled by default in the project options. Although I think it's an incredibly stupid default, and hidden amongst far too many useless project options, it can be changed by selecting Yes for the combo box at Configuration Properties > C/C++ > Language > OpenMP Support. Having written multi-threaded code with it, I can attest that it works. If there are no objections, I'll update the article in a few days, or if I forget, please do it for me. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:00, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
I would be interrested if someone can precise whether the Visual C# Express Edition has profiling enabled or disabled (like in the Visual C++ Express Edition). Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 08:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Free in its true micro$oft sense
Why do you call it free? Product must be registered (using a "Windows Live™ ID"), admittedly at no cost, within 30 days of its installation! I am about to change that "free" to "free of charge" within the next few days, unless someone has strong arguments against that change.
Also, the URL that is supposed to provide "more information about registration", http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/expressrtm/benefits/ , is unavailable (404 - "The page cannot be found"). What else to expect from m$?!? -- Jokes Free4Me 08:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't have to be registered any more, at least it didn't tell me so after install. -- 220.127.116.11 12:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes it does: Its FAQ page says: "5. How long do I have to register?
- You'll have 30 days from when you install your Visual Studio Express Editions." -- Jokes Free4Me (talk) 15:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Visual Studio Express 2008
Hello, I've never begun a new article or section in Wikipedia, I just have made a few edits in the past, but there is a beta 2 out for Visual Studio 2008 and it should probably be noted in the article under say 'Future Versions' or simply 'VSExpress 2008'. I would do it, but I'm not confident that it would read well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 01:01, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
Visual Studio 2008 Express Editions RTM'ed
OK, so these went RTM today. I've made some basic updates, but missing parts are still an updated Express IDE screenshot, and new Visual Basic 2008 Express features compared to VB 2005 Express, among other things. — Northgrove 19:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Vsplusplus 2005 beta2.png
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What am I missing?
VS2008 Express Web Developer SP1 supports both class library and Web Application projects, which were not supported in VS2005 Express. It also includes a new integrated HTML designer based on Microsoft Expression Web. However, the functionality to publish the website you develop is not present in this edition.
- Yes it does have some silly limitations. See here for a convenient solution to your issue. Maybe it should be added to the article? - xpclient Talk 05:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- If one cannot publish the website they've developed, I am confused as to the usefulness of this software? JimScott (talk) 16:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Is Microsoft killing the 2005 edition?
As you can see at the 2005 site, it now redirects to 2008 express downloads. "Previous version" link have disappeared. Other pages in MSDN, redirect to 2008 information too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 21:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah it seems they (randomly?) discontinued it entirely. I just spent an hour crawling the web trying to figure out if I could still get it. Perhaps it should be noted somewhere in the article that it's no longer available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, i believe it can still be accessed at msdn.microsoft.com/express, even if the download page (aa975050.aspx) is missing most of the images (making the choice a bit difficult). -- 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
C# Express Edition
The information contained in this section is far from valid, I'm using Visual C# Express and find none of the crippleware or missing features mentioned in the article. But I guess the sources are a bit dated. See: http://www.microsoft.com/express/Windows/ for more information.
Reads like an advertisement
"though the non-Express version of Visual Studio allows both web and windows applications from the same IDE"
"No Profiler support (by using profiler information, you can determine which sections of your code are working efficiently)"
- Hi, 184.108.40.206
- Do such limitations exist in the first place?
- Best regards,
- Codename Lisa (talk) 18:55, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- We can quote the answer from MSFT's VS express FAQ but need secondary sources to prove its importance to the subject. Is commercial application support a noteworthy property? --Skyfiler (talk) 00:01, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. Only after looking at the source, it is possible to answer this question. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)