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Need more info on the climate.[edit]

hey guys, I was reaind this article for info for my paper and there is absolutely no useable info on the climate of the region, can someone get some info with sources, especially on soil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.241.92.235 (talkcontribs) 16:09, 27 March 2009

Timezones[edit]

There is: Time Zones UTC +8:00 (Tibet) to UTC +3:30 (Iran) But I know that Turkey, Egipt, Jordan. Lebanon (Syria?) are in UTC +2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.106.97.4 (talkcontribs) 08:05, 29 November 2010

Edit request from Nassif.seif, 19 February 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nassif.seif (talkcontribs) 03:50, 19 February 2011

  • Note: This request was archived without its header. For the original request, see this diff. --BDD (talk) 17:22, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Spelling of transcription of Arabic "Middle East"[edit]

The article lists "Asharq Al-Awsṭ" as the transcription of Arabic الشرق الأوسط, "the Middle East."

The second word should be rendered something like "'awsaṭ."

I sometimes hear Arabic students incorrectly say "awsṭ," and I think this is why.

A more appropriate transcription would be "aš-šharq al-'awsaṭ." The (') should hook toward the left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.129.100 (talkcontribs) 17:06, 9 April 2013

Northern Cyprus is not a Country[edit]

Northern Cyprus is not a country and is clearly mentioned in the article of Wikipedia for Norther Cyprus. It is just the occupied part of the Rebublic of Cyprus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.146.81 (talk) 18:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2014[edit]

Dear Mr./Mrs. Please add Israel as a state within the middle east. Flag, name etc. Please add also Hebrew as one of the languages spoken.

Thank you, Sincerely, 109.65.63.185 (talk) 21:06, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done it seems someone replaced Israel with State of Palestine. will undo Cannolis (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Is Egypt really in the Middle East?[edit]

Egypt is in Africa, and many other African countries follow said definiton. Yet Egypt is included for no known reason. Egypt has its own culture and hertitage like many other African countries. It makes no sense to clump it with the EuroCentric definiton of The Middle East and should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.248.235.106 (talk) 23:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

It makes no sense to call the concept "Eurocentric". The word "table" is Eurocentric, I suppose, because it is derived from Latin. The horror. The term "east" is derived from a Germanic root. That's about the extent of its Eurocentricity. If you translate English "Middle East" to Chinese 中東 (literally "Middle East"), hey presto, it ceases to be Eurocentric and becomes Sinocentric!

You could say the usage of "east"-"west" is terra-centric, as it orients itself along the landmass of Eurasia rather than the waters of the Pacific Ocean. So, it is discriminatory towards the perspective of land animals! Unacceptable, have people not heard that the vast majority of organisms are maritime?! And all the land animals originated in the sea, so they are basically all equal and should be considered mere maritime emigrants.

On a more serious note, Egypt is a trans-continental country. It used to be counted as part of Asia, but that was in ancient geography. It has been considered as mostly part of Africa for some time, but that's merely part of the arbitrary definition imposed on landmasses by (gasp) European geographers. Note that "Africa" used to be a name for Tunisia. There was no term for the landmass now known as Africa before the Portuguese bothered to circumnavigate it in the 15th century, for the simple reason that you cannot name a concept before you have the concept. Egypt's eastern portion, the Sinai peninsula, is still considered part of Asia today. --dab (𒁳) 09:44, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

The originally Colonial Office terms 'Near East', 'Middle East', and 'Far East' come from their positions in relationship to the Greenwich meridian, which is used for navigation, and because for the most part of the last two centuries it was the British who first did most of the modern mapping and charting of the areas using Greenwich as their reference point, these terms came into widespread use. This wide usage was entirely accidental, as at the time, the British were the only people who had accurate maps and charts of most of the world, so everyone else had to use British maps and charts if they wanted to get anywhere safely. That or survey the areas themselves and draw their own, which is very expensive and time consuming if you want accuracy. Accuracy is very important for ship owners as inaccurate charts or maps can lead to loss of a ship. Ships are also very expensive and time consuming to replace.
BTW, Greenwich is also used as the reference point for the International time zones. Time is also very important if you want to navigate anywhere safely, due to Longitude.
DYK, that for most of the Pacific War in WW II the Allies relied on copies of charts and maps of the area that were based on those originally made by Captain James Cook. That's how often some parts of the world get surveyed. And that the first accurate maps of large parts of Egypt, Libya and Tunisia were made as late as 1942-43 by the LRDG.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.215.139 (talk) 12:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2014[edit]

Please remove one instance of 'Mandeans', they occur twice in the list.

The Middle East is today home to numerous long established ethnic groups, including; Arabs, Turks, Persians, Balochs, Pashtuns, Lurs, Mandeans, Tats, Jews, Kurds, Somalis, Assyrians, Egyptian Copts, Armenians, Azeris, Maltese, Circassians, Greeks, Turcomans, Shabaks, Yazidis, Mandeans, Georgians, Roma, Gagauz, Mhallami and Samaritans. Srforest (talk) 13:43, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Pictogram voting question.svg Question: One is actually a link to Mandean which redirects to Mandaeism. The other is actually a link to Mandeans which redirects to Mandaeans. My question is, which one should be kept? — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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Possible change:since Palesitne doesnot exist as a country, but only as a reginal indication I remove it fromthe list ofcountry present in the middle east. Otherwise, also Giudea and Samaria should be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.64.27.96 (talk) 15:12, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Move?[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved.(non-admin closure) cyberdog958Talk 08:26, 21 September 2014 (UTC)



Middle EastMiddle-EastRight The Wrongs has made several recent edits fixing "punctuation errors" or "typos", where they inserted a hyphen in Middle East. I'm not sure which is correct, so I'm bringing this to the attention of our punctuation experts. – Wbm1058 (talk) 12:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose. English language reliable sources use Middle East without the hyphen. [1], [2], [3], etc. Zarcadia (talk) 12:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - obviously. On this example other edits need to be checked. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:26, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose; reliable sources discussing the Middle East generally don't add a hyphen (or an em-dash or an en-dash or a quotation dash). bobrayner (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all the RS that use the current correct naming convention. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:22, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose: While sources can be found that hyphenate this, they're grammatically wrong. Middle-Eastern is properly hyphenated because it's a compound adjective, and Mid-East is also, as a noun with a prefix, but Middle East is neither.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  02:16, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • ROFL then oppose. This is, umm, English. Red Slash 02:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Well perahps you should bring this to the attention of the Middle-East Journal of Scientific Research: http://www.idosi.org/mejsr/mejsr.htm

I note that there they're using it as an adjective... Red Slash 21:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Widespread grammatical incorrectness does not justify continued error. Oh, and it's "um", not "umm". This is, um, English. ROFL Right The Wrongs (talk) 05:44, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose: By the way, Right The Wrongs, it is "umm". AcidSnow (talk) 05:53, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Obviously not this isn't the 19th century, the term is now commonly used without the hyphen, including in British English. And um, not umm? Wut? —innotata 13:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Languages[edit]

French seems irrelevant. It is not an official language in any Middle Eastern country, and probably prevails less than English. So either add English or omit French. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.114.3.241 (talk) 09:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

French is widely used in Syria and Lebanon. It is also the former sole official languages of both nations. AcidSnow (talk) 18:36, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2014[edit]

Please change "French is taught and used in many government facilities and media in Lebanon. It is taught in some primary and secondary schools of Egypt, Israel and Syria" into " French is taught and used in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Palestine". Explanation: Governmental language in all middle eastern countries is Arabic only, hence French can't and is not used in Governmental facilities" 176.202.180.93 (talk) 09:29, 1 November 2014 (UTC) X mark.svg Not done AFAIK Article 11 of the Constitution of Lebanon still states: "Arabic is the official national language. A law determines the cases in which the French language is to be used." - Arjayay (talk) 16:32, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Turkey and Turkish people is not the Middle East.[edit]

Turkey is located in Europe and Asia. Middle East not.Thrace Europe, Anatolia Asia,Turkey middle east peoples:kurds,arabs,assyrians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.140.219.29 (talk) 14:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but according to most reliable sources, the Republic of Turkey is considered to be a part of the geographic region known as the Near East. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 17 Tevet 5775 18:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Better Maps[edit]

This article needs desperately needs maps showing the countries and their major cities in relation to each other. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 00:29, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Greek should also be included in 'Languages'[edit]

Greek should be among the languages spoken in the Middle East, being the official language of Cyprus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.65.129.93 (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. I have added it to the section. AcidSnow (talk) 01:11, 3 February 2015 (UTC)