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Need more info on the climate.[edit]

hey guys, I was reaind this article for info for my paper and there is absolutely no useable info on the climate of the region, can someone get some info with sources, especially on soil.

Timezones[edit]

There is: Time Zones UTC +8:00 (Tibet) to UTC +3:30 (Iran) But I know that Turkey, Egipt, Jordan. Lebanon (Syria?) are in UTC +2

Edit request from Nassif.seif, 19 February 2011[edit]

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spelling of transcription of Arabic "Middle East"[edit]

The article lists "Asharq Al-Awsṭ" as the transcription of Arabic الشرق الأوسط, "the Middle East."

The second word should be rendered something like "'awsaṭ."

I sometimes hear Arabic students incorrectly say "awsṭ," and I think this is why.

A more appropriate transcription would be "aš-šharq al-'awsaṭ." The (') should hook toward the left.

Which region was British India considered to belong to?[edit]

When the Near/Middle/Far East system was current in the early 20th century, i. e., before "South Asia" and "Indian subcontinent" became preferred terms instead, which region was British India considered to belong to? The ("old") Middle East? The last paragraph in the section "Etymology" implies so, but the second paragraph in the section "Criticism and usage" omits any mention of any region or country in the subcontinent. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:17, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Alternative to "Middle-East"?[edit]

Since "Middle-East" is considered 'eurocentric', what is the better term? "Arab Regions", "Arab World"? I've heard it referred to as the "Islamic World" and "Muslim World" also. But these seem to be a bit -centric as well (what do non-muslims in the region think of those terms?). "Islamic World" and "Muslim World", like "Middle East" and "Near East" are also historically fluidic. And what do non-Arabs think of their country being part of the "Arab Regions" or "Arab World"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.44.124 (talk) 04:32, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Israel is currently not a country[edit]

Israel is a terrorist Group that supported with A Stupid Group named Zionism (Satanism or kabalaesm).

Greater Middle East grammar[edit]

{{|"Greater Middle East" is an additional Eurocentric concept, introduced in the West in the 1990s, and referring to the mostly-Islamic regions of North Africa, Western Asia and Central Asia; the use of "Greater Middle East" however was marginal and it has recently fell into disuse.}}

The quotation above contains errors in structure, punctuation, and tense. Here is a suggested re-writing:

"Greater Middle East" is a Eurocentric concept introduced in the 1990s to refer to the mostly-Islamic regions of North Africa, Western Asia, and Central Asia. The use of "Greater Middle East" proved marginal, however, and has fallen into disuse."

Mflcs (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC) --Mflcs (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC) Mflcs (talk) 19:41, 11 September 2013 (UTC) Mflcs (talk) 19:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Ridiculous That This Still Hasn't Been Changed[edit]

I can't believe Turkey is still listed under here. Look at the amount of people complaining here and this still hasn't been changed. Turkey only has one province in the Middle East area, yet it has been put under this category. What, just because you have borders with the Middle East, you become part of it? Using that logic, why isn't Azerbaijan or Armenia on this list? Unbelievable. "Many sources include Anatolia, and even Eastern Thrace, in the Middle East"? "As far as I can tell it's usually considered part of the Middle East"? Are you serious? I haven't heard such ignorance in my life. Even the Turkic countries and the Caucasus belong in other regions. I really can't believe how ridiculous this is getting. At least if Wikipedia was consistent. I looked at some pages and Turkey is listed as Europe, others Asia and now Middle East. I'll say this one last time and everyone should give up on this ignorance and accept fact: Turkey is Asian. It is a civilised, strong country which is nothing like the West describes it, nor is it anything like it was a decade ago. In every way, whether it be historically, culturally or geographically, it has, and always will be Asian, not Middle Eastern. I know the Middle East is not a continent or anything, but having it under that category is insulting to it's people. If it is considered partially European, but not enough to be in the EU, the same should apply for the Middle East, if not even stronger due to it having less land in the Middle East than Europe. Turkey dissing the West doesn't make it lean towards the Arabs or Islam, it makes it lean towards Asia. As if Russia, China and Japan love the West so much. Read some books, research a bit people, it could prove useful to this generation in which I've lost hope. I pray my pleas will not be disregarded, forgotten and left unanswered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobman1069 (talkcontribs) 05:51, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Other definitions of the Middle East[edit]

Someone recently deleted the "Greater Middle East section and replaced it with "Other definitions of the Middle East" and then wrote:

"Greater Middle East is an additional Eurocentric concept, introduced in the West in the 1990s, and referring to the mostly-Islamic regions of North Africa, Western Asia and Central Asia; the use of "Greater Middle East" however was marginal and it has recently fell into disuse."

This is incorrect; the term is still widely used in academic and political discussions. A simple search on "google", "youtube" and the like will confirm this. (Example of current affairs news from a few days ago: http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/clout-middle-east.html)

It is not a Eurocentric concept (The term is used my most world powers) and it was introduced by the Brookings Institute in 2004, not the 1990's. It is very pertinent considering what is currently happening in the "Greater Middle East" region. Can someone please correct this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.175.27.29 (talk) 08:51, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request[edit]

May I suggest that the second sentence of the article be changed? Two alternatives are: "The term is used as a synonym for Near East, in contrast to Far East" or "The term is used as a synonym for Near East, in relation to Far East." The word "opposition" is incorrect as the terms Near East and Far East are not opposite from each other, but describe their geographic relationship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.212.132.239 (talk) 14:43, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Northern Cyprus is not a Country[edit]

Northern Cyprus is not a country and is clearly mentioned in the article of Wikipedia for Norther Cyprus. It is just the occupied part of the Rebublic of Cyprus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.146.81 (talk) 18:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2014[edit]

Dear Mr./Mrs. Please add Israel as a state within the middle east. Flag, name etc. Please add also Hebrew as one of the languages spoken.

Thank you, Sincerely, 109.65.63.185 (talk) 21:06, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done it seems someone replaced Israel with State of Palestine. will undo Cannolis (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Is Egypt really in the Middle East?[edit]

Egypt is in Africa, and many other African countries follow said definiton. Yet Egypt is included for no known reason. Egypt has its own culture and hertitage like many other African countries. It makes no sense to clump it with the EuroCentric definiton of The Middle East and should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.248.235.106 (talk) 23:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

It makes no sense to call the concept "Eurocentric". The word "table" is Eurocentric, I suppose, because it is derived from Latin. The horror. The term "east" is derived from a Germanic root. That's about the extent of its Eurocentricity. If you translate English "Middle East" to Chinese 中東 (literally "Middle East"), hey presto, it ceases to be Eurocentric and becomes Sinocentric!

You could say the usage of "east"-"west" is terra-centric, as it orients itself along the landmass of Eurasia rather than the waters of the Pacific Ocean. So, it is discriminatory towards the perspective of land animals! Unacceptable, have people not heard that the vast majority of organisms are maritime?! And all the land animals originated in the sea, so they are basically all equal and should be considered mere maritime emigrants.

On a more serious note, Egypt is a trans-continental country. It used to be counted as part of Asia, but that was in ancient geography. It has been considered as mostly part of Africa for some time, but that's merely part of the arbitrary definition imposed on landmasses by (gasp) European geographers. Note that "Africa" used to be a name for Tunisia. There was no term for the landmass now known as Africa before the Portuguese bothered to circumnavigate it in the 15th century, for the simple reason that you cannot name a concept before you have the concept. Egypt's eastern portion, the Sinai peninsula, is still considered part of Asia today. --dab (𒁳) 09:44, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2014[edit]

Please remove one instance of 'Mandeans', they occur twice in the list.

The Middle East is today home to numerous long established ethnic groups, including; Arabs, Turks, Persians, Balochs, Pashtuns, Lurs, Mandeans, Tats, Jews, Kurds, Somalis, Assyrians, Egyptian Copts, Armenians, Azeris, Maltese, Circassians, Greeks, Turcomans, Shabaks, Yazidis, Mandeans, Georgians, Roma, Gagauz, Mhallami and Samaritans. Srforest (talk) 13:43, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Pictogram voting question.svg Question: One is actually a link to Mandean which redirects to Mandaeism. The other is actually a link to Mandeans which redirects to Mandaeans. My question is, which one should be kept? — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)