Talk:Middletown, Connecticut

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Material deleted, incorrect material put in place by user Pgagnon999[edit]

A certain user has deleted correct information and posted politically biased information in this article.

These are all in the first three paragraphs on the history of the town.

Paragraph 1. The original town name of Middletown was spelled "Mattabeseck", this can be seen in the records of the general Assembly of Connecticut, which were QUOTED in this article until the ignorant and unscrupulous poster deleted the reference. This is significant in that southwestern Algonquin was spoken with a much harder inflection on the consonants, ---and Mattabeseck is a southwestern Algonquin town.

Paragraph 2. Quotations about Puritan life in general are irrelevant in this article.

Paragraph 3. William Cronin is not a reliable source for local detail in Connecticut. Cronin's highly inflammatory accounts of the history of the settlement of America is very controversial, and has been shown to be very factually inaccurate and unreliable. It was very popular as a piece of political argument, and very poor historical scholarship.

That this article MUST include this kind of erroneous detail is unfortunate. That the systems and procedures that define Wikipedia are not able to withstand this kind of assault from the politically-minded and ignorant marks the limitation of Wikipedia's usefulness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Cronin is a well respected academic with numerous non-controversial scholarly works to his name. A simple web search on him will reveal as much.
  • Quoted information is great, but needs to be referenced and attributed.
  • Again, cool down, no one is on the attack here. Discuss in a calm manner, without character attacks.
  • Spellings of native American words often varied among early colonists, as is evident in many accounts; see Mohegans for instance. Alternate spellings were directly quoted with references from the Middletown city website.
  • Puritan life pertains to this article as the settlers of Middletown were indeed Puritans; in particular, they were Connecticut puritans.

--Pgagnon999 (talk) 04:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S., IP attribution of Universities and government offices is apparent by huge notices attached to the talk pages of said IP addresses. It's information that is readily available to anyone using the talk page.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Cronin is not a reliable source. His work is very controversial and is unaccepted. His major work 'Invasion of America' has poor scholarship, and is predicated on faulty population estimates, among other serious errors. Nor did he write about the Mattabesecks. ---And the Middletown city website is not a creditable source for historical writing. (talk) 05:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Rather than arguing about Cronin, who I rather like on a personal level, could you possibly present sources to back up what you are saying? After all, this is an encyclopedia. Jehochman Talk 06:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • The Cronin quote references a general statement about native American/colonial interaction in the article that supports the idea that the plight of the Mattabesetts (or Mattabeseks) was not uncommon. "Invasion of America" was not cited. You may not like Cronin, and seem to have a strong opinion regarding his work, however, he is considered a reliable source and a scholar. That does not mean that his work is without fault, of course. However, in this case a number of other sources could be presented, all reliable, to make the same point: Native American/ colonial interaction was rife with tragic misunderstandings which resulted in conflict and the eventual disenfranchisment and/or extinction of many tribal groups--intentional or not, as the individual cases may be.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 06:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • The Middletown website is not the source of information; it is a provider of a book fascimile presented on the town website by Wesleyan University which in turn was published by the Greater Middletown Preservation Trust, author Elizabeth Warner, title A Pictoral History of Middletown. The reference shows this.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 06:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Finally, this: I just searched for "Invasion of America" by William Cronin on & turned up nothing. A search for the title itself turned up this: The Invasion of America: Indians, Colonialism, and the Cant of Conquest (Norton Library) by Francis Jennings (Paperback - Oct 1976). Franic Jennings, not Cronin. So, it seems you have confused your authors. Care to revise your argument? --Pgagnon999 (talk) 07:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

So we now have Sowheag selling the lands to Middletown? Nice work, considering he was dead for six years. At least the new version is politically correct. We can all be happy about that.

  • It seems that you disagree with both Wesleyan Univeristy and the Greater Middletown Preservaiton Trust regarding the validity of their information. Care to elaborate on that?--Pgagnon999 (talk) 16:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

No. I don't think Wesleyan University takes a position on the matter, and the Greater Middletown Preservation Trust is a group concerned with preservation of old buildings and does not conduct historical research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

thumb|right|220pxOh no? . . .well, here's an image of the book, and here's where you can view its contents--which clearly places the founding of Middletown date as indicated in this article, Sowheag's sale of lands to Middletown, the spelling Mattabesett, and pretty much everything else paraphrased in this article that you objected to. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Irrelevant material removed, correct citations provided. Start your hostile attacks now, Pgagnon999.—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Pgagnon999 has used a sock puppet to remove cited material. Cited material replaced. Do not delete previously sourced material regardless of your personal opinion of it. Doing so is contrary to the spirit and policy of Wikipedia. This user has a history of hostility and stalking in wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Above IP user blocked for one month for severe incivility see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents# - Continued hostility and incivil behaiviour. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Bagwell[edit]

Bagwell has ties to Middletown, but was he in fact ever a resident? I believe that he was from Southington, Ct...

Jeff Bagwell went to Xavier High School in Middletown, but he is from Killingworth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Needs map[edit]

This article needs a "dot-on" map. Badagnani 03:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:MiddletownCTseal1.jpg[edit]

Resolved: Elipongo (Talk contribs) 05:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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Image:MiddletownCTseal1.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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This is wrong. Coryright does not attach to public symbols in the first place. You do not know the law.

Native Americans[edit]

Regarding the statement about settlers "purchasing" Native American lands, I'm not sure the word "purchase" does justice to the complexity of the issue and therefore may be deceptive. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 05:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Pgagnon is introducing wild speculation to suit his own political ends into this article. He has destroyed previous references. It is a shame that such hate-filled bigotry would spoil an article. Ignorance again rules?

Information added in good faith, very NPOV, and included solid references from Middletown city website itself. No existing references removed (there were none to begin with). Those interested should refer to the article's history for details. Also interesting is a history of edits from user at the Connecticut gov. (Middletown gov?) state IP address and a seemingly related Wesleyan Univeristy IP. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 00:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. A wikipedia admin restored deletions and left warning for IP user--Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Please note that this is the third time Pgagnon has made personal threats to posters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Above comments by admin. blocked user.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 04:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


"then called Methodist Wesleyan": any basis for this? I doubt it, and I've read Potts's history of Wesleyan. He says it was originally "the Wesleyan University" and I see know reason to doubt him. - Jmabel | Talk 22:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Lacking response, I will remove the dubious claim. - Jmabel | Talk 04:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


I am pretty sure that Middletown no longer offers free public wifi in the downtown. If so, I can no longer find it. (talk) 20:39, 29 November 2010 (UTC)