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Sourcing[edit]

Overall I think this is a pretty solid article. It could primarily benefit from adding more in text citations in the article to improve the overall sourcing of the article. People should be able to trace where every statement/fact presented in the article comes from. Additionally, the article would benefit from additional images and blue links.

Kdumelle13 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:03, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Immigration[edit]

Why does “Immigration to China” redirect here? That's completely unhelpful. LaloMartins (talk) 12:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand. It was the same for floating population, so I decided to make it a normal article. You should, too. Cheers. ComputerJA (talk) 08:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


confusing numbers[edit]

I was searching for the total number of migrant workers in china. As the numbers in this article do not point to references I would suggest to take one of the following numbers:

"The total migrant workers[4] in 2011 were 252.78 million, up by 4.4 percent over that of 2010. Of which, the migrant workers leaving hometown and worked in other provinces were 158.63 million, increased by 3.4 percent, the migrant workers worked in local provinces reached 94.15 million, up by 5.9 percent." Reference: National Bureau of Statistics of China (2012): "Statistical Communiqué on the 2011 National Economic and Social Development" http://www.stats.gov.cn/was40/gjtjj_en_detail.jsp?searchword=migrants&channelid=9528&record=3. (beneath figure 3)


I do not just want to change it, as it conflicts with the numbers given in the very first paragraph. Maybe one of the authors could help solve this mystery?

Cheers

Weiida (talk) 09:32, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


As I didn't get feedback, I changed the topic without knowing about the references the author used for the prognosis for 2025. Please change it again, if my correction is contradicting anyhow. Cheers

Weiida (talk) 08:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Major Edits[edit]

I'm a student at Rice University, and I was planning on writing a new article entitled "Migrant Workers in China" for a course: Education Program:Rice University/Poverty, Justice, Human Capabilities, Section 2 (Fall 2013)
I had hoped to provide an overview, go over the history and origins, cover major factors, and discuss the different impacts of the phenomenon. I posted in some WikiProjects seeking feedback, and a few wikipedians noted that this article already existed, and there may be some significant overlap of content. My original outline is as follows, and I plan on making some major edits to this article in terms of organization as well as the addition of a significant amount of new content. There are some issues in this article with formatting, unsourced content, as well as a general lack of content with regards to important social issues faced by migrant workers, so I hope to deal with those problems in my edits.

If you have any comments, suggestions, or revisions, please let me know!

1. Overview
2. History and Origins
3. Factors

a. Economic
b. Social
c. Political
i. Hukou
ii. Other

4. Impact

a. Labor Supply
i. Domestic Work
ii. Factory Work
iii. Sex Work
b. Social
i. Gender Roles
ii. Class
iii. Health
iv. Education
v. Inequality

5. Theories for the Future
6. See Also
7. References
8. Further Reading

References: Chan, Chris King-Chi, and Pun Ngai. “The Making of a New Working Class? A Study of Collective Actions of Migrant Workers in South China.” The China Quarterly 198 (June 22, 2009): 287. doi:10.1017/S0305741009000319.
Chan, Jenny, and Ngai Pun. “Suicide as Protest for the New Generation of Chinese Migrant Workers: Foxconn, Global Capital, and the State.” The Asia-Pacific Journal 8, no. 37 (2010): 2–10.
Chan, Kam Wing, and Li Zhang. “The Hukou System and Rural-Urban Migration in China: Processes and Changes.” The China Quarterly 160 (1999): 818–855. doi:10.1017/S0305741000001351.
Connelly, Rachel, Kenneth Roberts, and Zhenzhen Zheng. “The Impact of Circular Migration on the Position of Married Women in Rural China.” Feminist Economics 16, no. 1 (2010): 3–41. doi:10.1080/13545700903382752.
Démurger, Sylvie, Marc Gurgand, Shi Li, and Ximing Yue. “Migrants as Second-class Workers in Urban China? A Decomposition Analysis.” Journal of Comparative Economics 37, no. 4 (December 2009): 610–628. doi:10.1016/j.jce.2009.04.008.
Fan, C. Cindy. China on the Move: Migration, the State, and the Household. Routledge, 2008.
Friedman, Eli. “Outside the New China | Jacobin.” Accessed September 26, 2013. http://jacobinmag.com/2013/09/outside-the-new-china/.
Froissart, Chloé. “Review of ‘China on the Move: Migration, the State and the Household’.” The China Quarterly 196 (January 12, 2009): 937. doi:10.1017/S0305741008001409.
Hesketh, Therese, Ye Xue Jun, Li Lu, and Wang Hong Mei. “Health Status and Access to Health Care of Migrant Workers in China.” Public Health Reports 123, no. 2 (2008): 189.
Ichimura, Shinichi. Decentralization Policies in Asian Development. World Scientific, 2008.
Keung Wong, Daniel Fu, Chang Ying Li, and He Xue Song. “Rural Migrant Workers in Urban China: Living a Marginalised Life: Rural Migrant Workers in Urban China.” International Journal of Social Welfare 16, no. 1 (January 2007): 32–40. doi:10.1111/j.1468-2397.2007.00475.x.
Knight, John, Lina Song, and Jia Huaibin. “Chinese Rural Migrants in Urban Enterprises: Three Perspectives.” Journal of Development Studies 35, no. 3 (February 1999): 73–104. doi:10.1080/00220389908422574.
Knight, John, and Linda Yueh. “Job Mobility of Residents and Migrants in Urban China.” Journal of Comparative Economics 32, no. 4 (December 2004): 637–660. doi:10.1016/j.jce.2004.07.004.
Lee, Ching Kwan. “Review of Yan Hairong ‘New Masters, New Servants: Migration, Development and Women Workers in China’.” The China Quarterly 200 (December 16, 2009): 1099. doi:10.1017/S0305741009990713.
Wang, Feng, and Xuejin Zuo. “Inside China’s Cities: Institutional Barriers and Opportunities for Urban Migrants,” n.d.
Wing Chan, Kam, and Will Buckingham. “Is China Abolishing the Hukou System?” The China Quarterly 195 (2008): 582–606. doi:10.1017/S0305741008000787.
Zhao, Yaohui. “Labor Migration and Earnings Differences: The Case of Rural China.” Economic Development and Cultural Change 47, no. 4 (July 1999): 767–782. doi:10.1086/452431.
———. “The Role of Migrant Networks in Labor Migration: The Case of China,” n.d.
Zheng, Tiantian. Red Lights. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press, 2009.
Zhi, Huayong, Zhurong Huang, Jikun Huang, Scott D. Rozelle, and Andrew D. Mason. “Impact of the Global Financial Crisis in Rural China: Gender, Off-farm Employment, and Wages.” Feminist Economics 19, no. 3 (2013): 238–266. doi:10.1080/13545701.2013.809137.

GavinCross (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

History[edit]

Could anybody who has worked on the History section of this article provide sources for the content? GavinCross (talk) 23:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Peer review 1[edit]

First of all, I see some great improvements in this article from when it first started! I love the content that you added and think it really helped make it a lot more comprehensive.

I think that at this point, the article could really improve with improved footnotes in the article. You have over 25 sources, which is great, but there are entire sections, such as "Recent history" and "North Koreans in China" that have absolutely no in-line citations, which in turn causes some questions about the validity of the content and may cause some people to think that the article is a bit biased. Certain sections, notably "Health policies," also have only once source supporting the information, and I think that the article could use some more perspectives to round out the section well.

In general, I would work on the flow of the article. For parts like "Recent history," there is only one or two sentences for each 'paragraph,' which makes it seem very choppy, with only a line or two of information. This is perfectly fine, but I think the article could really improve if you try and transition into different topics within a sub-section better. Deniselee26 (talk) 01:13, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Peer review 2[edit]

Overall, this article is very comprehensive and readable. My primary suggestion is to complete the comprehensiveness of it by adding to the “Foreign and ethnic groups” section. Additionally, I revision of “Recent history” to improve it’s “flow” would be nice-- it’s a bit choppy now. Third, I think some language might be inaccessible to the common Wikipedia user, so it might be a good idea to read through the article and find some areas where it can be made easier to understand. Finally, addition of a map would be great for those who are not familiar with the geography of China.

Excellent work! Missjenga (talk) 01:53, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

GavinCross did an excellent job in revising this entry last semester. However, there are three aspects I think can be included/expanded in this entry. First of all, work and working conditions could be added to this entry as an independent section so that people may have a more vivid picture of migrant workers in China. I notice that Gavin initially planned to talk about some main occupations of migrant workers separately as posted on the Talk Page. I think this revision is essential. Secondly, the government and the press have paid much attention to the employers' violation of labor standards/laws and the migrant workers' children left in their hometowns. I think the addition of such information to the entry will enhance its overall completeness. Additionally, it might be better to change the title of this entry into "Internal migration in China" since most of the entry is about rural-urban migration in China. I also suggest deletion of the last section "Foreign and ethnic groups" since it concerns the issue of immigration. I would like to further revise this entry this semester if possible. Feihuamengxue (talk) 00:07, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

@Feihuamengxue: Thanks for noting your intentions here! If you do decide the "foreign and ethnic groups" section doesn't fit here, hopefully you can move the information to a stub article like Immigration to China (currently redirects to this article) so as to preserve the information and keep it in the encyclopedia. :) Enjoy your editing! Jami (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

A plan on revision[edit]

I plan to revise this entry as part of my course assignment. I will revise the section "History and origins" so as to provide more information about hukou system. I will then edit the section "Causes" with deeper analysis of three main causes:labor surplus, income gaps and migrant networks instead of a list of various causes. In addition, I will revise sections "Education" and add "Violation of labor standard" and "Left-behind children". As noted above, these three issues are the government and Chinese society's main concerns at the moment. I will also add a section on "Occupational profile" so that one may get to know what these migrant workers do. As suggested by Jami (Wiki Ed), I will remove the whole section "Foreign and ethnic groups" to the entry immigration to China to differentiate internal migration and immigration. I am considering to add more information on related policies, but I am still trying to find more related references. If you have any recommendation on references related to updated policies, you are welcome to leave a message here. Any suggestion is welcome! You may refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Feihuamengxue/sandbox to check a proposed outline. Feihuamengxue (talk) 01:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Peer Review[edit]

Overall, you have made great contributions to the Migration in China article. For further improvement, I would suggest to thoroughly edit the article for grammar mistakes, as well as awkward sentence structure. Other than that, the content has definitely improved the article. JOzuna25 (talk) 18:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Conclusion of my revision[edit]

I revised this entry as part of my course during this semester. And I hope my contribution helps to improve the comprehensiveness and the overall quality of this entry. I initially planed to revise the section "Benefits and costs". However, it seems difficult to find references covering all the points noted in the existing entry, while it seems unfair to delete some important points. I would really appreciate if someone could find more information and revised this entry. In addition, some data I added (from scholar references accessible to me) are old. It would be helpful if someone could find some more recent data. If you have any suggestion/comment on my contribution to this article, you are welcome to leave a message here. Feihuamengxue (talk) 05:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)