Talk:Miguel de Cervantes

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Improvement of article - start with the lead

If we want to get this article up in quality, we need to first start with the lead. Compare this with Shakespeare's lead. Why are his parents and brothers listed - that's something for the bio section. Birth city is enough and then we can go directly into summary of his works. Anyone else interested by the fact that he and Shakespeare died on the same day.--RossF18 (talk) 18:08, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Date of birth is unknown

See Talk:Miguel de Cervantes/Archive1#It's unknown when Cervantes was born.

In keeping with other articles (Shakespeare, Beethoven, etc) where we make it clear in the body of the article that we do not know the exact date of birth, we certainly should not present a lede para with an unqualified date of birth as we’re currently doing with Cervantes. That is very misleading and, well, wrong. The best we can do is surmise, assume, speculate and believe that he was born 29 September, but we do not know it as a fact, so we should not present it as if it is a fact. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 11:50, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Pronounce

Both family names (undoubtly Saavedra, subject to discuss Cervantes) are of Galician-Portuguese origin, and Saavedra were (and today is, as long as I can hear) pronounced with long vowel: [miˈɣel de θerˈβantes sa:ˈβeðɾa], Saavedra comes from Latin sala vetera (intervocalic l dropped, as usual in Galician-Portuguese, remaining first a long vowel and after a crasis, the vowel being long no more). The Spanish equivalent is Salavieja, another common surname. It is, curiously, in modern Galician and Portuguese that this surname is pronunced with short a, no long one, even with old spelling (double a).91.117.9.231 (talk) 00:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

article sections

why is the don quichotte section included in the death section ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.141.236.28 (talk) 21:32, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Who Were His Wife and Kids?

He was married and he did have children, but nothing is said here about them, except a brief reference to one of his daughters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.191.234.242 (talk) 07:22, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Move

In the death section, there is a article about his plays. I am not entirely sure how to move or create a new headline, so can someone please fix it? Thanks, EpicFail7777777 (talk) 01:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The proof of the pudding is in the eating

Does anyone really say "the proof is in the pudding" as a shortened version of this? (Which makes no sense at all) Can we have a reference if this is really the case please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.74.69.18 (talk) 11:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I've only ever heard the shortened version, but I suppose it should be sourced. 64.180.40.75 (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes they do, particularly in the US. It's a pet peeve of mine, like "could care less" instead of the correct "could not care less". – ukexpat (talk) 20:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

La Epistola a Mateo: historia de una polémica literaria en torno a Cervantes

The Spanish version of Cervantes' Wikipedia article says that this poem was a falsification, or that it was not written by Cervantes. I am currently taking a course on Cervantes, and my professor said this also.— Preceding unsigned comment added by NatalieAvigailL (talk • contribs)

That statement in the Spanish article has no source. If you can find reliable sources to support it, then it can be added to the English article.--ukexpat (talk) 18:14, 8 March 2012 (UTC)