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It is a simplier habbit of Swedish miles[edit]

The following: "In Norway and Sweden, a mil is a unit of length equal to 10 kilometres and commonly used in everyday language. However in more formal situations, such as on road signs and when there is risk of confusion with English miles, kilometres are used instead." should be replaced by this: "In Norway and Sweden, a mil is a unit of length equal to 10 kilometres and commonly used in everyday language. However in all formal situations, such as on road signs and law, kilometres are used. For instance road signs are read in km (like 348 km) and the last digit rounded up and always expressed in common talk always in miles (like 35 miles!)."

K is temperature and not distance[edit]

When Eurosport by Giro d'Itala says, "Oh they have 10K left" it is very very cold, and the bikes will crack and the bikers die, quick. It is really very bad language of an international Tv-channel and they should really take some internal talks about it.

The mile in Canada[edit]

It's quite a stretch to claim that Canada uses the mile. Yes, you can find some very obscure sectors of the economy still using it but the mile is COMPLETELY absent from daily life and 95% of economic activity.

Speed limits are EXCLUSIVELY posted in kilometers per hour, distances are EXCLUSIVELY posted in kilometers and in everyday life you only find mile used in expressions like "to walk a mile in a man's shoes" or "mileage". People under the age of 50 will not use mile to refer to distance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erdunbar (talkcontribs) 01:47, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I didn't add mile, rather all the others besides US, UK, Canada; did you *READ* the four separate references as to where the mile is used in Canada? Not everyone drives a train, but obviously trains are a very important part of the efficient, affordable bulk transportation of goods. Whether or not they are in common use, they are there every day on Canadian railways and every race at the track. This isn't a popularity contest, it's merely a statement of things as they exist in certain aspects of transportation in Canada. If someone wants to conduct a locomotive on a Canadian railroad, they had better learn about the mile and the foot or they will have a hard time getting a job.

Also, would like to point out that the nautical mile and thousands of feet of altitude are also used exclusively in Canadian airspace; this practice is so prevalent it has spread to one of the most metric countries in the world: Russia.

So there are definitely sectors where these units dominate, pop culture aside, and they need to be reported as such. Canada probably shouldn't be the first listing as the mile is only used in specialized sectors. Perhaps nearer to the end along with Puerto Rico and Turks & Caicos? I just left Canada after US UK and put the rest in ABC order because it took a long time to find all those references. Feel free to reorder and otherwise clean it up however you see fit. I also have US Territories (and British?) interspersed with actual independent nations; they should probably be separated. Surveyor792 (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd argue that the way the Wiki article is written leaves the impression that Canada (and those other countries) is an imperial country which would be incorrect. Like I mentioned, the mile is used in rather obscure industries (yes, rail and air travel are obscure since they don't form part of 99% of people's daily lives). Its use by the "common person" (99% of the population) would be in pop-culture references and antiquated phrases.
PS If you want to bring air travel into it there's a whole world out there :). AFAIK flying is mostly a miles-based activity.
Ireland (Republic of) is probably in the same situation as Canada with the rail industry still using miles and mph. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Ireland#Limerick_to_Waterford. Irish speed limits on roads switched to km/h only around 2005. Northern Ireland (with the rest of the UK) still use miles and mph on both the road and rail network... I very much doubt trains between the Republic and the North use different units. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digg17 (talkcontribs) 20:06, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Regardless, the use of the mile outside of the US is typically deprecated and relegated to niche industries. In the Canadian context (being a Canadian) I can honestly say that I hardly ever see the mile used as a unit of measurement. The only time I see or hear miles used in something other than a phrase like "to walk a mile in..." is if a website is American in origin or you're dealing with someone who grew up close to the border AND is over the age of 50!
PS 2 I think the phrasing could be modified from:
the international mile continues to be used in many different countries besides the United Kingdom[3] and the United States.[4]
to:
the international mile continues to be used in certain industries in many different countries besides the United Kingdom[3] and the United States.[4]
Most countries are continuing with metrication, and even the US appears to be putting resources into shifting people's ability to work with metric. In Canada the younger generations largely work in metric units. The only sector of the economy where the imperial system is still in common use is in the trades but even there you're starting to see the effects of 40 years worth of metric education. I've noticed younger tradespeople working in metric and converting to imperial when they need to.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Erdunbar (talkcontribs) 15:05, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually, that isn't correct (please click on some of the links to see for yourself). Miles are PRIMARY in most or all of those countries, at least from what I could glean from their media. Some of them might have kilometers mentioned, in parentheses. The United States and UK aren't the only two countries using miles. The most damning, incorrect, repeated reference I hear about the mile is the "1970-something CIA World Factbook study" that doesn't even get the name of Myanmar right (they call it Burma). It doesn't even mention the UK (or Ireland or any on the list I've mentioned) and there were probably several others back then.

Just because the same incorrect source is cited over and over and over doesn't make it true. Please, by all means, read the news articles, written in English, but by natives of each of those countries, talking about miles, miles per hour, and sometimes acres and sq. feet and gallons (U.S. and Imperial), even roods and perches (1/4s and 1/160s ac.). While it is true some of them are partially metric (I'm sorry but I don't have an exhaustive list; some mentioned °C and meters and sq. meters), the only two that were more metric than inch-pound were Antigua&Barbuda and Puerto Rico. See "Miles per hour" on Wikipedia for what I mean.

These nations all converse in and use miles on their roadways. Where else do you think, I dug up articles on railroads on half the islands in the Caribbean? Their roads are signed in miles in every country on that list save Canada. And those same countries, plus the two I mentioned above all have MPH signs on their roadways.


Honestly, the biggest move I saw was in temperature, where Celsius seems to have caught on, followed maybe by hectares over acres (ironic as no one knows what an acre is anymore, Fahrenheit is probably the scale with the biggest argument in its favor as it could be used interchangeably with Celsius in scientific equations yet it seems to be used least.) Note that in Canada, the sq. foot and acre have NOT been relegated to industry, they're still actively used, and this is parallel to countries in this article cited as using miles.

I've been working on updating the article on acre, but may not get it done tonight. Most of these same countries all continue to use inch-pound.

Note I've not mentioned any OTHER traditional systems still in use. I'll draw your attention to the Province of Quebec where the *French* Customary System enjoys continued legal use for land measurement. The world is, thankfully, a lot more interesting than you think!Surveyor792 (talk) 02:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


Unfortunately, haven't figured out the template for adding text and other information to quotes, but I have compiled citations from each of the articles (some were bad, so I found others in the same paper that are current):

http://www.samoanews.com/?q=node/69174 This is not the first time the ASAA has been involved in such a swim. On May 12th of this year, they were involved in a 9-mile relay swim that was from Aunu’u Island to Utulei Beach Park to mark the beginning of the Fagatele Bay National Marine Sanctuaries/National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration ‘Ocean Week’.

http://www.thenassauguardian.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=41622:murders-concentrated-in-inner-city&catid=3:news&Itemid=27 Ten of those murders took place within a 1.5 mile radius.

http://amandala.com.bz/news/pawpa-brown-race-results/ The Weekend Warriors (W/W) went from Leslie’s Imports to Garbutt’s Farm at Mile 25 on the Northern (Philip Goldson) Highway via Boom Road for the C Class, 38 miles; and from Leslie’s Imports to Crooked Tree Junction to Garbutt’s Farm at Mile 25, Northern (Philip Goldson) Highway via Boom Road for the A/B Class, 50 miles.

http://bvibeacon.com/2/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3442%3Amt-bikers-compete-in-anegada&Itemid=60 Three individuals also competed in the event by running 4.4 miles. Steve Asson was first to cross the finish line, followed by Ravi Sukhu and Oniasih Nimade. [. . .]The BVIMC will host its “biggest race of the season” on May 19. The 37-mile Tour de Tortola will have pre-registration on May 16 at Village Cay and May 18 at Last Stop Sports.

http://www.compasscayman.com/flowersseaswim/Visitor-Information/ The Cayman Islands are located in the Western Caribbean, 480 miles south of Miami, Florida. The largest of the three islands is Grand Cayman (approx 76 sq mi). The “Sister Islands” of Cayman Brac (14 sq mi) and Little Cayman (10 sq mi) lie 80 miles to the northeast of Grand Cayman.

http://www.penguin-news.com/index.php/news/sport/item/593-bronze-medal-for-falklands-football-at-island-games-in-bermudaThe 15th International NatWest Island Games were hosted by the Island of Bermuda which is a British Overseas Territory situated in the North Atlantic, some 600 miles from the United States mainland, and the state of North Carolina. Despite being just 22 miles long and 1.5 miles wide the Island has a population of 64,000 people, of which 54% are black and 31% are European.

http://www.spicegrenada.com/index.php/14-new-today-roundup/26-find-the-culprit-editorial It is still not too late for the police to send out some of the best cops that are good in doing on the ground work to scout all the nearby bushes within a five mile radius to see if they can stumble on something or anything that might give them a good lead on which to work.

http://www.guampdn.com/article/20120306/NEWS01/120306010/UPDATE-Navy-evacuates-patient-from-cruise-ship-50-miles-off-Guaml The Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 25 assisted in the medical evacuation of a woman who required advanced medical care from the cruise ship Arcadia about 50 miles northwest of Guam on Feb. 28, the Navy announced in a press release today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Naypyitaw_Tollbooth.jpg

http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx?newsID=75498&cat=2 The 13.7-mile long relay challenge starts 5:30am at PIC with the finish line located at the Last Command Post in Marpi.

http://www.samoaobserver.ws/index.php?view=article&catid=63%3Atala-fou-samoa&id=4504%3Afasia-le-gata&format=pdf&option=com_content&Itemid=85 The first was the main race course of five miles heading into Pago harbor, and plan B - in case of bad weather - was to start from the inner harbor, go out to the mouth of the harbor and back, also about a five mile course.

http://www.thevoiceslu.com/let_and_op/2008/feburary/09_02_08/What_we_can_do_about_oil.htm The oil rig mentioned above is about 30 miles north of Trinidad and therefore 18 miles from being inside the territorial waters of Grenada.

http://searchlight.vc/bus-operators-get-fare-increase-p33795-82.htm As of yesterday, minibus passengers travelling short drops, of distances over one mile, are being required to pay $1.50 for the service.

http://sthelenaonline.org/2012/10/31/missing-portrait-travels-from-auckland-and-goes-missing/ A portrait of a former ruler of St Helena has taken its place alongside others at the home of the island’s modern-day governors – but it very nearly failed to complete its 8,000-mile journey from New Zealand.

http://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/2012/09/28/commentary.html The Prime Minister in his vast wisdom plans to sell off 1200 acres, in other words 1.86 square miles, 52,272,000 square feet, 2.7% of St. Kitts

http://suntci.com/provo-has-a-new-club-p142-106.htm All in all each motorcycle clocked up sixty miles and when the last ride was declared the children all wanted more! http://virginislandsdailynews.com/news/passenger-slain-driver-injured-in-late-night-st-croix-shooting-1.1396793 Officers went to that area, about three miles away, and found a car near William's Delight with Fredericks' body inside, police said. Surveyor792 (talk) 03:26, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

It is not a good idea to try and catalogue which countries use the mile and which don't, especially when using newspaper reports. Different journalists in the same country might use different units of measure, journalists often repeat blindly what they have been told and so on. Unless you do a proper survey of the newspaper concerned (which is WP:OR anyway), you cannot hope to get an accurate picture of the country concerned and if you are pushing the pro-mile or anti-mile arguments, you are just engaging in a "my daddy is bigger than your daddy" type argument. Martinvl (talk) 20:20, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Well, the mile is clearly used far less worldwide than the kilometer. But, before my edits, the mile wasn't acknowledged as being used in *any* of these countries. If you really want to go in and look, several articles mentioned in both mile and miles per hour mention "mile markers." Can you provide a single source to a newspaper that takes a road incident and then converts the signs on the side of the road into kilometers? Most, if not all of the sources I've found use the mile in a manner consistent with what I've described above. I am not trying to "push" anything, I'm trying to show the world as it really is; there are many examples of United States newspapers using km. Does that make the US an all-metric country? I hope we see Google Maps in the Caribbean soon, so I can pick the photos right off the roadways; until then I'll rely on reliable sources in print. This does not in any way conflict with Wikipedia policy. Newspapers are reliable sources of information if they are reputably published and adhere to the standards of journalism. Surveyor792 (talk) 00:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
It is inappropriate that the list of newspaper reports citing use of the mile outside UK and the US should appear in the lede. The lede is supposed to be a summary of the article, so everything in the lede should also be in the body of the article. Moreover, that list is WP:OR and does not support the assertion that the CIA factbook is erroneous - the CIA factbook lists the official units of measure which are not always the same as those in everyday use. Please consider removing that paragraph. Martinvl (talk) 07:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

To Erdunbar and digg17: You are seeing the exploits of a desperate group of Luddites from the anti-metric camp trying desperately to find remnant uses of pre-metric measuring words in obscure places and giving the illusion they are in wide spread use out in the open. That is their intent. They want the exception to be the rule. It is good to see that sensible people are pointing out this anti-metric bias. It is a shame that they have to use Wikipedia as a battle ground to propagate their fictions into fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ametrica (talkcontribs) 11:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

1,609.34400000000005 ?[edit]

The box currently reads 1 mile = 1,609.34400000000005 m It should read 1 mile = 1,609.344 m

Unless anybody objects, I'll fix that before the end of the day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.56.89.2 (talk) 16:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Length of Roman mile[edit]

The article on Pace (unit) gives the length of a pace (two steps) as 58.1 inches. This article on the mile says a Roman mile is 1000 paces (ie 2000 steps) so therefore a Roman mile was 0.91698 of an Imperial mile. But the Imperial units article says that there are two paces for every step rather than the two steps for every pace that this article gives, so they are inconsistent. 2.101.12.80 (talk) 15:08, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect and untrustworthy reference in preamble[edit]

The preamble, third paragraph, makes the claim:

the international mile continues to be used in some countries such as [...] the United Kingdom[3]

The footnote [3] refers to an opinion piece from the UK Metric Association detailing cherrypicked objections to continued use of MPH has a unit of speed. The opinion piece does not back up the assertion that the UK uses the International Mile, (nor does is any claim made that the mile used in the UK is defined in terms of metric units). I suggest the link is removed altogether, to be substituted with a link to some suitable legal decision detailing the UK's definition of a mile. --Rfsmit (talk) 20:52, 29 July 2014 (UTC)