Talk:Minamoto no Yoritomo

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Re. Yoshitomo and the execution of his father, other sources say that he cooperated in the execution of his father and another relative. The problem was that afterwards, he was rewarded much less well than Kiyomori by Go-Shirakawa. He resented this in the light of how he had gone so far as to support the execution of his father after the conflict. This led to his participating in the second rebellion.

 Obake, 13 April 2006

Confusion on Yoshitomo support in Heiji Rebellion[edit]

In this article, it states that (1) Yoshitomo supported Go-Shirakawa and Michinori, and (2) Nobuyori supported Nijo and Kiyomori. The first claim seems to be at odds with other Wikipedia articles, while the second seems to be incorrect.

The first claim is supported by the main article on Nobuyori. In the second paragraph of that article, it states that the Minamoto supported Go-Shirakawa against Emperor Nijo. However, in the third paragraph of that same article, it states that the Minamoto abducted Go-Shirakawa and killed his chief councilor Michinori. Okay, so which is it? Did he support him or not?

The main article on Minamoto no Yoshitomo never states that Yoshitomo and Nobuyori supported Go-Shirakawa, but just says they abucted him and killed Minchinori (implying they didn't support Go-Shirakawa). However, the article does state explicitly that Taira no Kiyomori fought in SUPPORT OF Go-Shirakawa (contrary to what it says in the second paragraph of this article on Nobuyori).

Lastly, the main article on the Heiji Rebellion again doesn't explicitly state Yoshitomo's and Nobuyori's support for anyone, but it seems to imply that Kiyomori allied himself to both Go-Shirakawa and Nijo.

So what's the real story? Was it just that Nobuyori and Yoshitomo attempted a coup d'etat over the Taira and the imperial court of Nijo and Go-Shirakawa? Or was there really a two-sided rivarlry between Nijo and Go-Shirakawa, and did Yoshitomo and Nobuyori really support Go-Shirakawa? And if so, what are the unstated details of what happened--why did Yoshitomo and Nobuyori turn on Go-Shirakawa and Michinori?

If someone knows these answers, can they go through and clean up the confusion on those articles mentioned here?

I was equally confused as I did the research to write these articles. I shall look into it again, but right now I can only guess that there is some element we are missing. LordAmeth 02:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)