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"The Cities"[edit]

In the 4th paragraph there is an uncited claim that the Twin Cities area being known simply as 'the cities' in the greater Midwest. I have lived in North Dakota, Iowa, and Illinois and have not heard this from anyone, except those from the Twin Cities area. Can anyone substantiate the claim that this is known throughout the Midwest? Otherwise I think the Midwest part should be left out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.31.230.116 (talk) 02:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree. I have lived in St. Paul my entire life and have never heard the Twin Cities referred to that. I think unless anyone can find a reliable source for this, then it should be removed. Twinsfan133 (talk) 03:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. I live in southeast Minnesota and when talking to other people, I've almost always heard the area be called "the Cities". It might not be common throughout the Midwest or inside the Cities themselves, though. 198.174.37.44 (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Volunteerism[edit]

Per New Federal Report Shows Greatest Spike in Volunteers Since 2003, a press release issued today by the Corporation for National & Community Service on community volunteerism:

Minneapolis-St. Paul once again ranked number one among large cities at 37.4%, followed by Portland, OR (37.1%), Salt Lake City, UT (35.8%), Seattle, WA (34.9%), and Oklahoma City, OK (33.9%).

Perhaps a place could be found for this. Kablammo (talk) 23:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Twins picture[edit]

The picture of the Twins at the Metrodome should be replaced by one of them at Target Field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.219.107 (talk) 20:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


The title of this article[edit]

The title of this article should be Minneapolis - St. Paul . Some people seem to find it hard to believed how much better this looks to the human eye, and how it is that such things have been written this way for centuries. It is simply more attractive, and easier to read, too.
In any case, Minneapolis - St. Paul should redirect to this article. 98.81.21.201 (talk) 05:03, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Area Highways[edit]

Someone put these lists into the Minneapolis article, but since most of these roads don't go through the city, they'd be more appropriate here. Maybe the lists can be worked in eventually. The Minnesota state highways list probably took some effort to compile, so it'd be nice to see that somewhere someday. User:Mulad (talk) 22:13, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

Interstate highways include:

U.S. highways include:

  • U.S. Highway 8
  • U.S. Highway 10
  • U.S. Highway 12
  • U.S. Highway 52
  • U.S. Highway 61
  • U.S. Highway 169
  • U.S. Highway 212

Minnesota state highways inlcude:

  • MN 5 (Gaylord to Stillwater)
  • MN 7 (Beardsley to St. Louis Park)
  • MN 13 (Albert Lea to St. Paul)
  • MN 21 (Fairbault to Jordan)
  • MN 25 (Belle Plaine to Brainerd)
  • MN 36 (Roseville to Stillwater)^
  • MN 41 (Shakopee to Shorewood)^
  • MN 47 (Minneapolis to Aitkin)
  • MN 50 (Farmington to New Trier)
  • MN 51 (St. Paul to Arden Hills)^
  • MN 55 (Tenney to Hastings)
  • MN 56 (Spring Valley to Hampton)
  • MN 62 (Eden Prairie to Fort Snelling)^
  • MN 65 (Minneapolis to Littlefork)
  • MN 77 (Apple Valley to Minneapolis)^
  • MN 95 (St. Cloud to Cottage Grove)
  • MN 96 (White Bear Lake to Stillwater)^
  • MN 97 (Forest Lake to Scandia)^
  • MN 100 (Bloomington to Brooklyn Center)^
  • MN 101 (Rogers to Elk River)
  • MN 110 (Mendota Heights to Inver Grove Heights)^
  • MN 121 (Richfield to Minneapolis)^
  • MN 149 (Eagan to St. Paul)^
  • MN 156 (Inver Grove Heights to St. Paul)^
  • MN 242 (Coon Rapids to Blaine)^
  • MN 243 (MN-95 to WI-State Line)^
  • MN 252 (Brooklyn Center to Brooklyn Park)^
  • MN 280 (St. Paul to Roseville)^
  • MN 282 (Jordan to Prior Lake)^
  • MN 284 (Cologne to Waconia)^
  • MN 291 (Hastings)^
  • MN 312 (Eden Prairie)^ (Will be US 212 in future)
  • MN 316 (Red Wing to Hastings)
  • MN 610 (Maple Grove to Blaine)^

^Notes that both termini of the highway are located within the 7-county twin cities metropolitian area.

Best-known twin cities[edit]

"There are many other places around the world that are considered twin cities, but Minneapolis-St. Paul is the most well-known." Can this be substantiated? If not it should be removed. pomegranate 23:31, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Do a search for "Twin Cities" on google and see how many of them link to Minnesota based sites. The majority of them do. -User:puppetrevolt

University of Minnesota[edit]

Region summary stated that both Minneapolis and St. Paul share portions of the University of Minnesota Twin Cities campus. The Twin Cities campus is actually shared between Minneapolis and Falcon Heights, a St. Paul suburb. user Jakeh Oct 25, 2005

Substantiating source, from the City of Falcon Heights Web Site http://www.ci.falcon-heights.mn.us/newresidents/maptest.html
That is still considered to be Saint Paul, I'm sure to the dismay of those in Falcon Heights. The entire Saint Paul campus uses Saint Paul in its address. Also, the Minnesota Fairgrounds is listed with a Saint Paul address. http://www.mnstatefair.org/pages/geninfo_main.html

Climate[edit]

"The lowest temperature ever reported at the station was -34° F on January 22, 1936; the highest, 108°, was reported on July 14 of the same year" what exactly is the station? The airport? Because I know for a fact this is not the coldest temp ever in the state.--Gephart 19:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The official National Weather Service station, which is located at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. Local air temperatures may differ, but the readings at the airport are what's used to determine the official records. Iceberg3k 20:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
It should be common sense: the official weather reports for cities and metropolitan areas are generally measured at the major airports. Why? Aviators have always needed good weather reports and forecasts at the airports.

98.81.21.201 (talk) 04:54, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Photos[edit]

I'm planning on taking a day and doing some photography around the Twin Cities. Is there anything in particular editors interested in the Twin Cities would like? I'm hoping to do it this week, probably Thursday. Let me know on my talk page if you have suggestions. Thanks! Rx StrangeLove 01:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The weather has been cool and overcast this past week so I waited...I'm planning on going out this week. Maybe Wednesday...so any suggestions will be welcome! Rx StrangeLove 01:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Intro: Economy[edit]

This parenthetical phrase in the opening section--describing Minnesota's economy--is a bit grandiose to be of a scholarly tone:

"...(many people in the area are drawn from these states by the perpetually healthy economy and flourishing cultural scene)." Nandapanda 03:19, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

History[edit]

I adjusted the writing on the history page to be more suitable for Wikipedia from its previous version. However, it seems like a very vague, very general description of the areas' history. If anyone has any other specific resources to add that would be great.


In the History section, there is no mention of the early computer industry. Major companies of the time were Honeywell, Burroughs, Sperry-Univac, Control Data, and IBM. I know that at least three of these had headquarters in the Twin Cities. Also Hazeltine & LSI, which made terminals were located in the Twin Cities. --71.214.223.133 (talk) 04:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Intro: Economy[edit]

I removed "The Cities are seen as the economic engine of the entire Upper Midwest." Like the above-mentioned economic comment, it is a bit grandiose and it's factually wrong. The wiki definition of Upper Midwest is broad and includes Metro Detroit and Chicagoland, two areas that are both significantly larger in population and economy than the Twin Cities.

Cities in metropolitan area[edit]

Hello. Do you think this template is useful or wasteful of space? Townships are omitted. The data comes from the "Cities and towns" section of each county: Anoka, Carver, Chisago, Dakota, Hennepin, Isanti, Pierce (Wisconsin), Ramsey, Scott, Sherburne, St. Croix (Wisconsin), and Wright and could have mistakes (especially in the cases of two possible links: City, State and City (town), State). For now I added the template in the external links for Minneapolis. -Susanlesch 01:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I like it, although I think it might be pared down somewhat. In theory it should be limited to towns that are bedroom communities for the Twin Cities and I think some of the outlying towns are more stand-alone communities (e.g. New Richmond, Wisconsin). What % of the residents commute to the Cities? --Appraiser 12:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
  • All the "Wisconsin" repeats have been cut so now it is shorter. Do you think it would be fair to include one of either 1) the seven counties, or 2) all thirteen? That would be much easier to do (or is already done). If you need something more detailed maybe someone else will volunteer. -Susanlesch 23:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Culture: Arts & Entertainment[edit]

I've heard the most theater seats per capita stat both as other than new york and including new york as it is here. Does anyone know of a source for this stat? Currently it is completely unsubstantiated.Arcturus21 17:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I have only visited Minneapolis once, but was most impressed by the fabulous art museums. It would be nice to see someone tackle that subject here. Andrew

The articles St. Paul, Minnesota and Minneapolis cover the museums within the city pretty well. This article is the least developed of the three, and attempts to cover metro-area topics that are not appropriate within the other two articles (e.g. all the same headings, but as they relate to suburbia)--Appraiser 19:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Wisconsin[edit]

Hello. If the U.S. Census counts two counties in Wisconsin, would those sports teams belong in the table? How about TV and radio stations? I added the Wisconsin state template, a photo of Maiden Rock and added History of Wisconsin and Sports in Wisconsin to the {{main}} templates for now. -Susanlesch 05:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

What happened?[edit]

When I opened the article all I could see was white space. I'll remove the code that made that happen so the page displays correctly, I'm not familiar with how to fix it. What is the intent of it? Gopher backer 19:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

No idea what happened but I am glad you fixed it. -Susanlesch 23:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

citation needed in lead section[edit]

Would this link satisfy that statement? I'm not very familiar on how reliable the information from this site is. http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-Midwest/Saint-Paul-History.html. Gopher backer 19:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that source confirms what the article says.--Appraiser 21:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

St. Cloud[edit]

I noticed that the Greater Minnesota article claims St. Cloud too. Is that a conflict that should be sorted out?--Appraiser 14:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Greater Minnesota has a merge proposal, do you know why? I am not familiar with the term. In case it helps, for reference, Combined Statistical Area and Table of United States Combined Statistical Areas link to Minneapolis-Saint Paul through a redirect for Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI CSA that appears to have been created in February 2007. -Susanlesch 15:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree it makes a difference because so many articles try to cover the same geographical and cultural resources. Minnesota has state, county, city, township, twin city, Metropolitan Council planning area, U.S. census UA, MSA, CSA, plus "Greater" and "Outstate", and Wisconsin. As Red Wing is included, then Minneapolis-St. Paul-Rochester MN-WI could be the next U.S. Census product, then Duluth (just looking at the the map and only partly kidding). I 1) don't feel qualified to make the call and 2) trust your opinion. -Susanlesch 03:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

History section[edit]

The question most relevant to any layman (including myself) reading the history section of this article is "How did these two cities merge?" - the history section does not address this point at all. One might want to improve it on that aspect. User:Krator (t c) 23:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The two cities are separate, not merged, sorry for confusion. .:DavuMaya:. 17:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Revision[edit]

This is my new pet project to be revised. Sorry if your watchlists get flooded. .:DavuMaya:. 17:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Peculiar Phrasing in Religion sub-section[edit]

While browsing through I came across, "The Twin Cities have always had a Jewish population..." I believe I understand what is meant but the phrasing is odd.Fritigern (talk) 06:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes most of the text is written in a sensational way. A prev editor wrote in this smarty-pants fashion that seems to indulge in his own text. It reminds me of various books I read in college about the TC. Oh historians! Feel free to rephrase it yourself. I will be tackling from top down so won't get there for a while. .:DavuMaya:. 07:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Census Wars[edit]

Could something be added to the rivalry section about the so called "Census War" that happend in the late 19th century? 71.34.12.212 (talk) 17:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Map at top of page[edit]

I noticed that the picture at the top has been changed to just the seven-county map. I know that is the jurisdiction that the Met Council covers, but that jurisdiction was determined in the 1970s and this map excludes six counties that the census department says are part of the metro area (i.e. Sherburne, etc.). Shouldn't the map be of the entire thirteen-county MSA and not just the seven county area? There is even city bus service to Elk River, for example, and that isn't even in the seven county metro so as far as I'm concerned, except for it being the Met Council's jurisdiction that definition is really outdated. I think the map should be changed. Aaporter 87 (talk) 22:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh I thought someone would say that, I'll make a 13-county version. But to clarify, there are different levels of classification of metro areas, no one is more outdated than the other. The 7-county urban area is a census definition that the Met Council adopted, not the other way around. And even though the metro area is spilling out, consider that total residential density is a more significant measure, places like Sherburne are growing but in a very low-density way. .:davumaya:. 23:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I think the region can be defined in a number of ways, but the article is written to cover the 13-county area, IMO.--Appraiser (talk) 14:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Excellent - thanks--Appraiser (talk) 13:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Media[edit]

I would like to see a source for this "For much of the last two decades, WCCO has had the most popular evening newscasts of the area channels." My understanding is that WCCO has been second to KARE for the past couple of decades. --BenFranske (talk) 19:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

See discussion at[edit]

...WT:NCGN about adding spaces around the dash in the name of the metro area. We now have (and always will have) a redirect from the old name, so you can type anything in and get to the page; if we should redirect from other names, I'll be happy to create more redirects. I didn't see any discussion of the name formatting on this talk page, but if there was discussion and I missed it, please point me in the right direction. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 17:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it matters. We always go by Census however but I doubt it says anything on proper usage. davumaya 20:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Masjid versus mosque[edit]

There appears to be some confusion regarding the correct term to use. Currently the article states : "There are several Islamic Masjids in the area ." I remember it used to say something along the lines of “While there are several masjids in the area the area is still without a proper mosque. “ I couldn't gather what the difference is from mosque but it does acknowledge a difference, which it didn't used to. Well a recent article from the Strib says " There are 35 mosques scattered throughout the Twin Cities, he added, but a number of them are small." Strib As it isn't a direct quote I wouldn't be surprised if it is misinterpreted. Now the Pioneer Press says there are three mosques, from the title, but then goes on to say that it is the third mosque of the Islamic Institute of Minnesota. Pioneer Press. I can't tell if the institute runs all of the mosques in the Twin Cities. So what's the ruling on the field? How should this be edited? I can't tell otherwise I would. 97.116.19.76 (talk) 04:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Nicknamed[edit]

It says "The area is also nicknamed the Twin Cities". However, "nicknamed" seems informal, but the road signs use "Twin Cities" as a collective destination to tack a distance in miles onto, at least in Northern Minnesota. Because governmental usage seems to be one of the ways of determining how official something is, maybe it should be reworded. 198.174.37.44 (talk) 13:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/c 17:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)



Minneapolis–Saint PaulMinneapolis–Saint Paul metropolitan area – While "Minneapolis–Saint Paul" is commonly used to refer to the Twin Cities metropolitan area, this term can be confusing. Does "Minneapolis–Saint Paul" refer to the two cities jointly, or does it refer to the two cities plus the surrounding metropolitan area? Please see Wikipedia talk:Article titles#U.S. metropolitan areas and OMB statistical areas.  Buaidh  17:58, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Oppose Sorry, I'm not seeing it. The name obviously refers to a metro area, and I think it's one that's known widely enough as to not be ambiguous. --BDD (talk) 23:02, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose per BDD -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 04:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Per WP:COMMONNAME. As the OP stated, "'Minneapolis–Saint Paul' is commonly used to refer to the Twin Cities metropolitan area". Explaining the actual definition of the term is the lead section's job. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:49, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose And some effort needs to be made for some consistency in this region. Would Twin Cities or The Twin Cities be a better title? We currently have an article Climate of the Twin Cities so if this isn't changed, that should be changed to Climate of Minneapolis-Saint Paul. I'd go as far as saying The Cities is a more correct title in terms of WP:COMMONNAME than "Minneapolis-Saint Paul metropolitan area", probably more correct than "Minneapolis-Saint Paul". Ryan Vesey 05:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
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