Talk:Mogadishu

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Ajuran[edit]

The History section of the article needs a clean up and improvement. It does not discuss the Ajuran sultanate, World War 2, etc. Would anyone like to help me? AcidSnow (talk) 18:01, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

The Ajuran Sultanate didn't directly rule the city. The Muzaffar Dynasty of the Sultanate of Mogadishu did, and the Ajuran Sultans exacted tribute from the Muzaffars. Middayexpress (talk) 18:44, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I think we should divide the History section in to a couple of categories: Earliest History (We should try to see if we can find any skeletons from the region going farther back than the Khoisan), Foundation (Dissuce Somali arrival and we should see if we can find more info on Sarapion such as a foundation century), Persian occupation, Middle Ages (Republic then the Sultanate), Early Modern (Geledi annexation of the city and Italian rule), and finally Modern. I will get work on Sarapion. AcidSnow (talk) 22:46, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
All of that's already pretty much noted. However, the early Persian presence was more of a settlement than an occupation. Middayexpress (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

There is no evidence of a Persian occupation, a mysterious name does not equal foreign rule, just like Persepolis does not originate with a Greek occupation of Persia just because of its Greek name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.74.189 (talk) 23:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

The Persians most certainly had control of Mogadishu. AcidSnow (talk) 00:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Persians did have an early presence. That's why the Persian New Year (Nowruz) is observed in parts of the south, and a few old structures built in a Persian style can be found in the same area. The Arba'a Rukun Mosque's mihrab also contains an inscription dated 667 (1268/9 CE), which commemorates the masjid's late founder, one Khusra ibn Mubarak al-Shirazi (Khusrau ibn Muhammed). There are still older trade ties described in ancient Chinese documents, but these don't pertain to Mogadishu specifically. Middayexpress (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
There is absolutely no evidence of a Persian army or dynasty holding sway over Mogadishu, in most of the time-periods of Mogadishu's golden ages, the Persians were ruled by Arabs, Turkic groups and Mongols themselves. Persian Traders, architects and scholars, sure but that's where their presence ends. Somalis had the same seafaring presence in other continents, the difference is nobody is overestimating their influence in those regions for clear cultural reasons rooted in colonial writing and race hierarchies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.135.120 (talk) 15:55, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, there's indeed no evidence of any Persian army, dynasty, sultanate, etc. actually holding sway over Mogadishu. What I meant by an early Persian presence was individual traders and Islamic scholars/proselytizers. This is why the structures that the settlers left behind mainly consist of mosques and religious tombs. The actual polity that ruled Benadir during the period was of course the Sultanate of Mogadishu's Muzaffar Dynasty, and prior to that, it was the Sultanate's founding Fakr ad-Din Dynasty. Middayexpress (talk) 16:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, my reply was aimed the user above you that said "most certainly" when its probably at best a fringe source or blatant OR. This is just a case of kicking Somalis out of their own history and heritage by placing undue weight on foreign influences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.135.120 (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Climate[edit]

The temperatures are monthly weather averages and minima/maxima. They are not daily minima/maxima [1]. Middayexpress (talk) 18:00, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

As the article and that source show, 23-24C are average night minima for each month, as I said - not monthly 24h averages. Most of the text of the climate section is nonsense. There is no alternating between a chill and heatwaves - it is always hot. There is less than 3 celcius difference between the averages for each month. As with all locations near the equator, there is no spring-summer-autumn-winter sequence. The articles on Singapore, Lagos, Recife etc. don't mention spring because, like, Mogadishu, they don't have such seasons. Jim Michael (talk) 23:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I see what you're saying. The climate is fairly hot year round. Average temperatures per month vary by 3 °C (5.4 °F), which corresponds with a hyperoceanic and subtype truly hyperoceanic continentality type [2]. I've made this clearer. Middayexpress (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Mogadishu has gotten much colder than 60's.[3] My bad, Midday, I meant something else. AcidSnow (talk) 03:50, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
If Mogadishu's current weather is 16°C/62°F how is the lowest temprate recorded 20°C/68°? AcidSnow (talk) 12:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Sultanates[edit]

The lead does not accurately depict the history of Mogadishu. It makes it seem like an Arab colony. It does not even mention the Sultanates and how it was a republic before that. The same can be said about the history section which disscuse relavent stuff as well. I will make improvements in the coming days. AcidSnow (talk) 03:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I've noted the Sultanates in the lede. The kingdom history is fine, as it already notes the Sultanate of Mogadishu, Ajuran Sultanate and Geledi Sultanate. Middayexpress (talk) 15:56, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I will update it by tomorrow. AcidSnow (talk) 20:49, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
No worries; I just fixed it. Middayexpress (talk) 17:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Lol see my take page to see what I mean. A large portion of the cities history is not mentioned. AcidSnow (talk) 18:10, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
You appear to be referring there to early Kharijite disciples, which isn't the same thing as the Sultanate of Mogadishu. Middayexpress (talk) 19:05, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't even know what that is....... AcidSnow (talk) 19:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, that's what the 694 date refers to. Middayexpress (talk) 19:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)