Talk:Mongol Armenia

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Name[edit]

I don't think the current name is right, there was never any Mongol Armenia, Armenia was under mongol rule, but it was'nt an administrative unit or a vassal state. So I think it would be right to rename the page to Armenia under mongol rule or smth like that.Van-Vaspurakan (talk) 22:11, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What you propose seems reasonable to me, but I will ask for other opinions before making a change of name. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:08, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think Mongolian vassal state of Armenia might work, or what is proposed. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 02:48, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mongolian vassal state of Armenia would have been good, but Armenia was never vassal state of the mongols, simply because there was no unified state during mongol rule, but rather small principalities which of course were vassals of the mongols. I think this page is rather about a period of Armenian history and not about a vassal, unified state. And what I have said here is also true about the pages` Seljuq Armenia (again there was no unified state of Armenia during seljuq rule and also the seljuqs didn't always have a unified state) and Turkmen Armenia (and again no unified state of Armenia, which could have been vassal and the turkmens never fully controlled all of Armenia and only in short periods they had centralized states, there were rather many tribal confederations). So I think in all this cases we should change the names to correctly show what was going on then.--Van-Vaspurakan (talk) 12:24, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For me, Armenia under Mongol rule might be close, but I still await other comments. No reason to hurry.--DThomsen8 (talk) 19:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that "Armenia under Mongol rule" is a reasonable alternative. Either way, "Mongol Armenia" or the others (Seljuq Armenia and Turkmen Armenia) were more based on the geopolitical "Armenia" rather than an "Armenian state". The land, in historical maps, was alway labelled "Armenia," which is why I found it reasonable to use "Mongol Armenia," but I do agree that it might lead to the false idea that it might have been a state of some form.Kentronhayastan (talk) 21:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Armenia under Mongol rule" will become the new name and I will make a redirect for the old name, unless there is an objection before 1 February.--DThomsen8 (talk) 21:55, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, for the sake of consistency, I also recommend the same naming convention be applied to Seljuq Armenia, Turkmen Armenia, Armenians in the Persianate and, unless it conflicts with other naming conventions, Armenians in the Ottoman Empire.Kentronhayastan (talk) 22:58, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's time to change the name of the page.Van-Vaspurakan (talk) 09:44, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Source[edit]

http://www.mtac.gov.tw/mtac_quarterly/quarterly_c/3/1259655395.pdf

Rajmaan (talk) 21:19, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dating[edit]

Dating error: This part is confusing: "...defeating the Mamluk army of the Krak in February 1281.[46] However, the Mongols finally retreated, pledging to come back for the winter of 1281." If they were there in February of 1281, how could they promise to return in the Winter of the same year? Youngkyf (talk) 11:37, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]