Talk:Mongolian Cyrillic alphabet

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Since Cyrillic[edit]

was introduced from Russian (and since Russian is much more widely known among readers of English), a clear discussion of differences from Russian Cyrillic would be quite helpful. Kdammers (talk) 07:52, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

щ[edit]

What is the true pronunciation (Mongolian) of this letter. Sources I've looked at point to the sound shown, yet G Purevdorj believes it to be n.a. (he has credit due to being involved with Mongolian studies). Sources clash, plus first hand ones, and it is all very confusing. Lawful Reasoning 03:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't claim that it's n.a. (even though I haven't come across a loan containing it), but I don't have any source showing how Mongolians would pronounce such a loan. We do have such information for <f> and <k> that may either be retained or replaced by [ph] and [x]. G Purevdorj (talk) 08:42, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Oh this letter is a real hassle! Why can't the Mongolians just get rid of it to end this endless suffering of what the actual pronunciation is! Ah! Only Russian words seem to have this and Mongolians are known to not pronounce words as written when it comes to loan works (ex. Fabrik is pronounced paprik by those who cannot get that /f/ sound right). Both sh and ch are native phonemes of Mongolian and consonant clusters are a plentiful so I find now reason that Mongolians or speakers of Mongolian would stumble over this pronunciation. Lawful Reasoning 05:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

How phonemic is this alphabet?[edit]

Sources very about the degree of consistency of grapheme to phoneme correspondonce this is for this Cyrillic alphabet. Anyone more experienced or a native speaker, I have a task for you. Seeing a word, any given word, would you know how to pronounce it 100% correctly and vice versa (hearing a word, writing it down). Phonemic means one to one correspondence which is not the case with Mongolian but it gets all confusing with front and back vowels changing the pronunciation. Plus clipped vowels not written and all that good stuff. The worse thing is, is that reputable sources totally disagree with one another and it makes researching this language terribly difficult. Lawful Reasoning 05:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Which reputable sources differ? There are some disputes, but usually evaluating the sources is not so much of a problem. So if you provided two concrete sources that contradict each other and that are scientific phonological literature, I might explain their difference to you. But yes, as a proficient speaker of Khalkha I can tell you that the orthography is FAIRLY phonemic. (For limitations, see Janhunen (forthcoming): Mongolian grammar. Benjamins.) And even less bothering, all pronunciation variants are explained in the body of the article! G Purevdorj (talk) 09:00, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, after looking at my sources, I found one (Colloquial Mongolian, not the best book) says that Mongolian is not quite phonetic and only gives you a clue to the pronunciation. However, most other ones (https://collab.itc.virginia.edu/wiki/tibetan-script/Mongolian%20Transliteration%20%26%20Transcription.html, http://www.indiana.edu/~celcar/pamphlets/Mongolian.pdf) say it is phonetic with some limitations as you agree with. I did notice that some borrowed words have double consonants at the end. I know these are just borrowed and some people don't count that but I was wondering if that shows gemination or not (this time counting native words as well).Lawful Reasoning 14:52, 22 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawfulreasoning (talkcontribs)
"Colloquial Mongolian" is a really good beginner's course for Mongolian, but don't rely on it for theoretical issues! Consonant gemination in Mongolian is possible, e.g. aXXa 'elder brother (vocative)' < aXa, but it is never phonemic and never occurs in absolute word-final position. G Purevdorj (talk) 17:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Yy=Vv[edit]

"Үү ...[is] sometimes also written as Її (or Vv)..." -- I won't dispute the claim that it is sometimes written as Ii (though I've never seen it), but the use of Vv is quite widespread -- in both hand-writing and typing (sorry, I can't give a citation since this is personal observation).Kdammers (talk) 09:01, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Cursive[edit]

Some letters in cursive (Mongolian) Cyrillic are extremely different from the forms given here. This is especially true for lower-case letters (e.g., T--> m). Can some-one add these forms?Kdammers (talk) 09:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)