Talk:Morse code

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(2014) correct international morse-code according to ITU 2009[edit]

here it is:!!PDF-E.pdf

1.1.1 Letters

   a  . −    i  . .    r  . − . 
   b  − . . .    j  . − − −   s  . . . 
   c  − . − .    k  − . −    t  − 
   d  − . .    l  . − . .    u  . . − 
   e  .      m  − −    v  . . . − 
 accented   e  . . − . .    n  − .    w  . − − 
   f  . . − .    o  − − −    x  − . . − 
   g  − − .    p  . − − .    y  − . − − 
   h  . . . .    q  − − . −   z  − − . . 

and so on... -- (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


By this edit, Spinningspark reverted an edit of mine with the comment that I had made a "gratuitous change of spelling system". This is incorrect for two reasons.

First, I did not change the spelling system. Most of the article uses AE spelling, beginning with the word "standardized" in the second sentence. By changing a few BE spellings to AE, I was conforming those passages to the existing spelling system.

Second, even if the entire article had been written in BE, a change to AE would not be "gratuitous" but would be in keeping with Wikipedia policy. Morse code, developed in the US by three Americans, has a clear tie to one English-speaking country, so that country's spelling should be used, under Wikipedia policy.

Accordingly, I'm reinstating the minor spelling corrections ("vocalise" to "vocalize", etc.). JamesMLane t c 05:40, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

The discussion is meant to come after the revert and before reinstating the original edit, but whatever. Your edit summary was "sp" which gave the impression you were correcting spelling mistakes. This is frequently done by American editors who simply do not realise that British spelling is different, not mistaken. I revert such edits automatically without investigating (and I would do the same if an article is changed to British spelling without a rationale). I don't really object to this article being declared American spelling provided that is what is agreed here, but I would make a couple of points. First of all, the "ize" spelling is not conclusive evidence for American spelling in the way that color or canceled would be. There is a British spelling system called the Oxford spelling system which uses "ize" rather than "ise". Secondly, an American inventor does not necessarily force an American spelling system and each case should be considered on its merits. The Samuel Morse article should unarguably be in American spelling because he is an American and thus the article has an American subject. The Morse code article is not so clear cut. Morse code, whatever its origins, is an international topic, it was ubiquitous in its day. One could even argue that the international Morse code is German since it orginated with Gerke adapting it from Morse's original. SpinningSpark 07:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
I understand BRD as to substance, but, yes, this did seem to me to be a simple mistake -- not because "vocalise" is the wrong way to spell the word (I've edited the article on Comparison of American and British English and I understand that BE spelling is simply different, not inherently wrong), but because "vocalise" is the wrong way to spell the word in the context of this article. I gave two reasons. The first is that the article is already in AE spelling and Wikipedia policy is to make each article internally consistent. You suggest that perhaps the article is, instead, already in Oxford spelling, which uses -ize endings. I don't need to delve into Oxford spelling to determine which is used here, because every change I made was changing an -ise/-ised ending to -ize/-ized. From my quick glance at the Oxford spelling article, I gather that this change would be correct even if the article were in Oxford spelling (though I saw nothing in the article that is not in AE spelling except the few instances I changed).
Second, I pointed out the subject's strong ties to the United States. You respond by noting later work done in Germany. Under Wikipedia policy, that's irrelevant. "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the English of that nation." (from Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English) Ties to Germany don't matter. (I think some people have suggested that a strong tie to an EU country would call for BE spelling and a strong tie to a Latin American country would call for AE spelling, on the basis that the form of English most common in that non-English-speaking country should be used, but I don't think this is policy.) In any event, Gerke was merely modifying a system that originated in the US and that still bears the name of its principal American inventor. I don't see a plausible case for "strong national ties" to Germany.
By the way, as a side note that's irrelevant to how to spell words in this article: You give color and canceled as clear examples of AE spelling. I consider canceled to be correct in AE, because we follow the general rule of not doubling the consonant if the last syllable is unaccented, while BE departs from that rule for some words ending in -l. Nevertheless, for some reason, cancelled has some currency in the United States, even though travelled and the like are virtually never seen. As I said, this has nothing to do with the Morse code article, but, given that you mentioned the example, I thought you might be interested. JamesMLane t c 12:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
You are kind of misrepresenting me here. I did not claim the article is in Oxford spelling, or that it should be, I merely reverted an unexplained edit doing something that is often controversial. True, I argued that International Morse Code as we currently know it is an international subject, not tied to the USA in particular. However, that was not an argument against using American spelling. As I already said, I don't actually object to using American spelling. SpinningSpark 23:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. The only issue for this talk page is which language dialect should be used for this article. I'm open to either A or B at this point, but I'm leaning toward A due to James' argument that Morse was American. I welcome further argument either way. Glrx (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2014 (UTC)