Talk:Mother's Day (United States)
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- 1 Why a different day?
- 2 Merge
- 3 I don't think Howe's June 2nd "Mother's Day" is the ancestor of today's Mother's Day
- 4 Other Countries
- 5 Why U.S. article?
- 6 Modified "Current Dates" section
- 7 Pentecost on Mother's Day
- 8 Mothering Sunday
- 9 Canada?
- 10 what to say
- 11 Newspapers
- 12 Anna's opinion of the holiday
- 13 Requested move
Why a different day?
You haven't got to a reason why the USA, set up as a Christian country didn't celebrate Mothering Sunday and now have Mother's Day on a different day to the rest of the world. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 10:16, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Why does the US need a separate article? most of this information is in the US section of the main article anyway. 220.127.116.11 13:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, this info is already in main article. Makgraf 00:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I also agree-this should be merged.
I agree that it should be merged into the "mothers day" page or at least the reference to the United states removed from the title, it is appears to be valid for many more parts of the world than the US.
I think there is value to having it separate; emphasizes that mother's day is not exclusive to the united states and makes info on the holiday easier to parse if you're specifically looking for details on the u.s. holiday, i.e. what day is mother's day for ME in the states, rather than some dude in lithuania.
- Merge becauwe Mother's Day is an international holiday. The merged article could contain a paragraph that would say something like, "Mother's Day is celebrated on various dates around the world. There is a partial consensus to celebrate it on the second Sunday in May, when it is celebrated in more countries than on any other date. This is the date on which Mother's Day is celebrated in the United States, the holiday's country of origin." Bigturtle 22:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- Merge This article is short enough to fit in the other article. Things specific to the US should be in their own subsection of the BIG article such as the original poem and the history. Do not delete any USA Mothers' Day info but do include it in the big article. --Jon in California 5 May 2007
There is no difference between the TWO. United States has nothing to do with anything here lol.
disagree - there are no dates of mother's day in usa for various years like in this article. if that is the case then you should list that and who wants to read a ton of different lists of dates from every country?
disagree - Wikipedia is becoming increasingly US-centric. I think that to emphasize a more universal view individual country's rituals should be left out of the main article. Skillet 17:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
It should not be merged... Not the same article...http://betaphor.wordpress.com/ 19:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Merge - definitely merge. This article implies that Mother's Day is a wholly US-centric phenomenon that originated in the US. If this article were merged with the main Mother's Day page it would give a much better, more balanced context to the modern celebration. Wikipedia is NOT American. If you want pages that only explain things as they relate to the US, you need to set up a new version of the site: Wikimerica or something.¬¬¬¬ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't think Howe's June 2nd "Mother's Day" is the ancestor of today's Mother's Day
I tried to partially repair a muddled introduction. Howe's and Jarvis' "Mother's Days" were not the same. Howe's was on June 2nd, not on the second Sunday of May. Howe's had died out decades before Jarvis began working for recognition of own event.
I haven't seen anything to suggest much of a connection between the two events. It's far more likely that Anna Jarvis was thinking of her mother's "Mother's Day Work Clubs." It's conceivable that Jarvis' mother might have known of Howe's event and might have been thinking of it when she named her clubs, though my superficial research didn't turn up anything like this.
However appealing it is to suggest that Howe was "the" founder of Mother's Day and that a feminist, antiwar movement morphed into a kinder-küche-kirche vision, I don't think there's any basis for this narrative. If there is, I'd like to see good sources. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering, is there some reason why countries other than the US have chosen the second day of May to also celebrate Mother's Day? I don't see anything in this article about that after being redirected to it from the main Mother's Day article. -- Permafrost 05:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- Anna Jarvis, Anna Jarvis, all Anna Jarvis. Every one of these countries is, consciously or not, commemorating the May 9, 1905 death of Anna Jarvis's mother. (That date was a Tuesday, but the following Sunday was the second Sunday). Establishing Mother's Day was the lifelong mission of Anna Jarvis. It was an international campaign from the beginning.
- Cameron, Ruth (1912), "Observing Mother's Day." Boston Daily Globe, May 6, 1912, p. 2: "The new holiday became at once so popular that last year Mother's Day was observed, not only in every nook and corner of our own country, but also in Europe, in parts of China, Japan, Africa, and South America." Dpbsmith (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Why U.S. article?
I think that pretty much everything that is covered in this article is covered in the U.S. article. Happy Mother's Day! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 11:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
Modified "Current Dates" section
I took the liberty to modify the Current Dates section by modifying the template Template:Second_Sunday_in_May/next_few to include the previous 2 years and bold the current year. I also reduced the number of future years displayed by 1 (it used to display the current year and 4 future years, now it displays the 2 past years, current year, and 3 future years). Discuss if you feel these changes should be reverted. ~ Agvulpine (talk) 10:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Pentecost on Mother's Day
Could someone find a way to say that Pentecost happens to be on the same day as Mother's Day this year? It's a rare occurrence, so I thought it's significant enough. But I just don't know how to fit in into the article cleanly. Sporlo (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
There is no mention of the history or origins of Mother's Day in Canada, nor details of how it is observed. This article is either 50% incomplete (and that's ignoring Mexico) or should be renamed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 13:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- Noted this issue with a template. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC).
- I added info about a 1913 law. In Google Books, from this book I could only get "By 1909, Mother's Day services were held in states plus Canada and Mexico. The Mother's Day International Association incorporated on December 12, 1912 (...)" which is coherent with the 1913 date. There is some very specific info here, specially page 82 about being less important than birthday. You can also search yourself and pick one of the books. I don't have time now. --Enric Naval (talk) 01:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- I moved Canada and Mexico to the main article Mother's Day. The section should be improved there. --Enric Naval (talk) 23:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
what to say
I added a dubious tag on the line about newspaper funnies. It just doesn't seem like a notable or verifiable line. Perhaps someone can counter me or possibly rewrite the line in a more encyclopedic way. --Zechola (talk) 18:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Anna's opinion of the holiday
It's interesting that the general article on Mother's day mentions that Anna (I forget her last name) was digusted with what the holiday has become while this article makes no mention of her opinion.
- It's in the "Commerciaelization" section. Feel free to reuse the info and fix the article yourself. This is a wiki, after all. --Enric Naval (talk) 16:14, 8 May 2011 (UTC)