Talk:Mount Carmel

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Not in Israel[edit]

Carmel Mountain in Palestine not in Israel ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.6.43.38 (talk) 20:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

You know that's not true, leave your retarded nationalism outside of encyclopedias... 93.172.112.188 (talk) 12:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC) And if it was, Palestine is in Israel.

Need for Disambiguation[edit]

I'm too busy to do this today, and maybe I'll do it in the next few days if someone else doesn't, but this should really be 2 articles. How is it logical for Mt. Carmel, Texas be in the "Mount Carmel, Israel" article? That would be like having a paragraph about President Gerald R. Ford in the article about Ford Motor Company. -- Jwinters | Talk 19:46, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've moved it to the disambiguation article, and added a link to it at the bottom of this page.Nyh 07:56, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Due to being the Sacred mountain directly related to Christianity and Judaism religions and a place which historically influenced other place names, religious movements and literature around the world till today - meaning that it works in practice as a World heritage - I suggest this present article to be renamed "Mount Carmel" and the contents (wikilinks) of the current article "Mount Carmel" be moved to an article "Mount Carmel (disambiguation)". Thank you. --62.169.100.56 15:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Agree. Cuñado Bahaitemplatestar.png - Talk 16:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your support. As there was no manifested opposition to this purposal, I am changing according to what was presented above (the current "Mount Carmel, Israel" will also re-direct to "Mount Carmel" article). Also I'm gratefull for your link; I came in touch with the lovely Bahá'í Faith through this link: [1]. May we share and Serve under the same fraternal Light, dear friend Cuñado. Best regards, --Rosaecruz 14:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Chronology in "History" section[edit]

I was wondering why things in the "History" section seemed to be pretty much in chronological order, except for the part about the Báb's remains being laid to rest. Shouldn't this be switched with the paragraph above it, which is about World War I? I didn't want to make the change without making sure that there wasn't a reason for it being written this way. Thanks! --Twilightsojourn 01:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be constructed that way to maintain continuity between the Bab's burial and the other Bahai events. Cheers, TewfikTalk 06:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Geography is sketchy[edit]

I revised the Geography section to the best of my knowledge, but it could do with improving. While I saw fit to remove the vague reference to the relative location of Acre, the Druze villages (referred to by their familiar names up till 2003) are certainly a notable feature of the Carmel! -- Deborahjay 18:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Carmelites section mixing up two different monasteries[edit]

The section on the history of Carmelites on the Carmel Mountain mixes at least two different monasteries, some 30km apart. Stella Maris monastery and the cave of Elijah are both at the northwestern end of the ridge, in Haifa. The monastery at El-Maharrakah (trasliterated as Muhraka in the articles on Carmelites and on Haifa, other variants also exist), known for the "contest" between Elijah and the priests of Baal, is located in the southeastern part of the ridge. 132.68.247.84 (talk) 00:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Not because he was bold[edit]

Article says Elisha fled to Carmel "straight after cursing a group of young men or children because they had mocked his baldness." Not so; the taunt "go on up, bald man" can be broken so:

  • "bald man" was a generic insult, like "son of a bitch." Baldness was rare enough in the area, and Elisha was in his twenties so hughly unlikely a bald person.
  • "go on up" refers to Elisha's predecessor, Elijah, having been taken to heaven on a whirlwind.

What the men are mocking isn't the unlikely baldness of Elisha, but the office of a prophet, and the ascension of Elijah – both ordained by God. So, they are mocking Yahweh himself. According to: Kaiser Jr., Walter C. Hard Sayings of the Old Testament. Dowers Grove, Ill., 1988: InterVarsity Press. – Tintazul msg 11:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with the statement that: "In 1958, archaeologists discovered something on the mountain range that resembled an altar, which they assumed must have been Elijah's altar." Archaeologists do not make wild assumptions like that - such false reasoning belongs on the "History" (i.e. fiction) Channel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 05:58, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Text removed[edit]

Removed from the first section, "Geography and geology":

It is named Rom Carmel.{{notincitation|Google "ROSH HaCarmel," and you'll find this is likely the most popular name as used in Haifa & by Jewish scholars, especially Israelis fluent in Hebrew. Could not find "Rom Carmel" ANYWHERE on jewishencyclopedia.com (used a full-site search i.e. "site:jewishencyclopedia.com"); a more specific link would help, but citing other encyclopedias [instead of a PRIMARY source] is deprecated in WP's standards anyway.|date=November 2012}}<ref name="J Enc" />

I took this out because, like the original placer of the {{notincitation}} template, I searched all over. The only references I could find turned out to be using Wikipedia as a reference for their text. The text should stay here on the talk page until a reliable source can be found. Also, since "Rom Carmel" is the name of a car company in Israel (see here and here), it's possible that the name was added into the article by vandalism. – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 05:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)