Talk:Mountain State University
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The fact that it is named "Mountain State University" definitely leads to confusion as to whether it is indeed a state school or not. Therefore, I added the statement "in spite of" again. As far as its calibre, well, that's academic. --DodgerOfZion 23:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
This page is blatant advertisment. Many students and faculty and community member have added relevant and factual information to the site, only to have administrators from Mountain State delete the material from their "advertisemtn here" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedocjd (talk • contribs) 11:49, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
I added the advert tag because the article actually reads like a brochure for MSU, rather than an encyclopedia article. I suspect that most of it was written by the University's Public Relations Department. All of it is unsourced. I would tackle making significant changes to it myself, but I am not familiar enough with the subject to do anything more than trim it back to a stub. I think it would be preferable to expand and source it, with an eye toward WP:NPOV. Take a look at University of Virginia or West Virginia Wesleyan College as examples of pretty good articles on colleges and universities (though they could use some improved sourcing, too). Cheers! Cmichael 13:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Having said all that, I went ahead and tried to wikify the article some. Added some section headings, rearranged some text, added some wikilinks, removed some blatant boosterism. I removed the listing of accreditations because one assumes that a legitimate college is accredited, and listing all of them out looked too much like a testimonial. Removed all the address and phone number info...added a link to the official website for those who want to contact the university. I think I improved it, but it still needs work on sources and NPOV, and it still reads too much like a brochure. Cmichael 14:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm removing the advert tag. The article, at present, is just a stub, but it no longer reads as an ad. If somebody puts all the blatant boosterism back, we can always put back the advert tag. Cmichael 04:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Deleted history section
I have deleted the history section as it constituted copyrighted material. (Should have noted that under my edit - sorry.) It also seemed to violate NPOV.
Disclosure: I work with publications at MSU. I've made changes in the past to try and fix some of the NPOV "advertisement" problems and add neutral material such as the list of buildings and facilities. I've tried to handle this material in a way that meets Wikipedia's standards and presents MSU accurately. As far as I know the only edits that have come through any kind of official university process are the ones I have made.
Knowing that corporate edits are strongly discouraged, I plan to limit my future participation in this article to the discussion page unless I see something that's copyrighted (as happened today) or egregiously incorrect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DSpencer (talk • contribs) 17:29, August 21, 2007 (UTC).
- I think the article is better now than it was when I added the advert tag last May. But, it could still be much better, in my opinion. I don't know a lot about MSU, or I'd tackle it myself. It would be good if someone who is familiar with the subject would try to create a solid, verifiable piece on the organization. Cheers! Cmichael 21:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree absolutely & will be glad to provide info or help in any appropriate way. DSpencer 13:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Utter nonsense, this is a blatant advertisment, Information which is factual is constantly removed from the page by Mountain State Administrators . The whole page should be deleted as a blatant advertisement —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedocjd (talk • contribs) 11:51, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed the edit war over a section in the history section and decided to look up the source given. First of all, I can not even confirm that a Hedgesville Journal even exists much less determine if it is a reliable source. If no one is able to provide more tangible proof, such as a weblink to the paper or an official record or provide an alternative source, then the part being cited will have to be removed as unverifiable. --Farix (Talk) 02:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a comment in the article about international students being viewed negatively and treated as second-class citizens. This is clearly a POV statement and/or in need of some sort of citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 09:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
What the heck?
The article ignores the fact that MSU is an accredited university, that it has the same accreditation as state and private universities by the Higher Learning Commission. The line about "diploma mill" is entirely false, especially considering the fact of its accreditation.
I left it as is because I don't need any of you editors thinking that I work for the school given this article's history and my anonymoty, but seriously, someone should fix it, NOW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 13:18, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
- Done. There do seem to be some shady happenings at this institution but we can't make unsupported allegations in the article, especially ones as serious as "diploma mill." I'll drop a line on the Talk page of the editor who made those edits. ElKevbo (talk) 13:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Presidential salary and tax documents
I have removed material from the lead that used a tax document to allege that the president of this institution is overpaid. First, it's a clear example of original research since the only supporting evidence is a tax document. Second, it's undue weight given that no other sources are cited making this a noteworthy issue. Third, even if other sources can be found it certainly doesn't belong in the lead.
(Incidentally, I'm not removing this to defend this institution or its president's salary. If this allegation is true - and it probably is - it disgusts me as much as it always disgusts me to see university staff paid ridiculous salaries as tuitions and fees continue to skyrocket and public support dwindles. But this isn't about my personal opinion or yours - it's about writing a neutral encyclopedia article based on quality sources and best practices. ElKevbo (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC))
I don't understand the preoccupation with Polk's salary from three years ago. Moreover, I don't understand why this article makes any reference to Polk. The MSU Board of Trustees rightfully fired Polk, as he was a horrible president who manipulated others to serve his own needs. Polk was GROSSLY overpaid - that is undoubtedly clear. However, this point is now moot and irrelevant since MSU has a new interim president. Any reference of Polk should be removed. He's nothing more than a bad memory for MSU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 23:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- The information seems relevant and is well-sourced. That the university eventually let him go doesn't change history one bit. We will not remove or hide information simply because it embarrasses the institution. ElKevbo (talk) 00:45, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree. MSU is a great school and is a vital component to the community. Beckley's economy would be destroyed if this institution were to fail. It is in no one's best interest to badmouth this institution. Polk was bad news. This information is unnecessary. I say remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Because it received such significant media coverage the onus is on you to establish that it is unnecessary for this article. Why is it suddenly irrelevant now just because some people associated with the university are embarrassed by it? Does that mean that this part of the university's history should be swept under the rug? ElKevbo (talk) 15:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Repeating yourself in capital letters isn't going to convince anyone that your argument has merit... ElKevbo (talk) 19:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Considering that Polk is responsible for transformation of Beckley College into modern-day Mountain State University and his top-down management style has been cited in the accreditation issues MSU currently faces, his inclusion in the article seems very relevant. Bitmapped (talk) 22:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
His management style was grievously flawed and reprehensible. He doesn't deserve to be mentioned in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:49, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Polk has been FIRED, people. It is well-known that he is no longer running the school. I'm at a loss here... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) 18:05, April 10, 2012
- He's still part of the university's history. Being fired doesn't remove him from the history books or eradicate the influence he had while he was there. ElKevbo (talk) 23:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
You know, you are right. Given that the university lost its accreditation due to Polk's greed, this information should remain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 10:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Historical information about college prep school
An unregistered editor (the same one engaged in the discussions above???) has removed information about a college preparatory school that was associated with this university. Although the editor used the edit summary "Relevance?", I don't understand why the information was removed as it seems inherently relevant to this topic given its close associate with this university. It seems to be interesting historical information that is relatively well-sourced. So why was this removed and why shouldn't it be restored? ElKevbo (talk) 19:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- I have again reverted the removal of this information. It's sourced and it's relevant so it shouldn't be removed without at least giving us the courtesy of an explanation or participation in a discussion. ElKevbo (talk) 05:59, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Mountain State University (Wikipedia Edits)
I would like to add that as a former MSU student, I encourage people who edit to be fair and not solely be on an agenda to trash the school. The page is pretty accurate as it is. I like the fact that it mentions "All degrees conferred on or before December 31, 2012 are valid and were received from an accredited institution." Peoples lives and careers are dependent on this point in some positions they apply to today. I also believe it is fair to mention "MSU had previously listed as one of the best universities in the Southeast by the The Princeton Review" and also "The school had also been named a Military Friendly school by G.I. Jobs." The reason why I say this is because it is accurate and many people such as myself, considered MSU because of the Princeton Review while other students considered the G.I. Jobs recognition. There are many students that worked hard and paid a lot of money to go to MSU to totally receive slander of the university through Wikipedia. I appreciate if there is more neutrality to consider those who accomplished through this university. The syllabus and materials were not the issue, it was the leadership and the inability to completely transform from within to reach proper expectations. This affected the lives of students and professors who were doing well in their professions and career objectives so be fair.