Talk:Mozambican Civil War
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Start of hostilities
An anonymous user changed the date 'On September 25, 1964, Frelimo solders, with logistical assistance from the surrounding population, attacked the administrative post at Chai in the province of Cabo Delgado' to 'On September 25, 1965, Frelimo solders, with logistical assistance from the surrounding population, attacked the administrative post at Chai in the province of Cabo Delgado .' Is this correct? Greenman 21:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- A Google search says no, so I reverted it. Icek 06:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I want someone to cite credible sources for RENAMO's alleged widespread use of child soldiers, a concerted campaign against civilians, and a more balanced view of FRELIMO's own misdeeds. The section on RENAMO seems biased and whitewashes FRELIMO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Expansion of the article
I expanded the article and added some sources. However, there are still some sections which need better sourcing in my opinion. The information about the PCN stems from the article about Uria Simango. Unfortunately this article does not contain detailed sources. I will add the sources about the Rhodesian operations in Mozambique soon, just need to read some of the stuff provided in the Rhodesian Bush War article. By the way, simply "recycled" the maps from that article, because they seemed fitting. I hope this is ok with guidelines, I could not find anything about it.
The section about the Angolan Civil War seemed to me mainstreamy enough to not being in need of addtional sourcing but the corresponding sources can surely be found in the article about the Angolan Civil War.
Terminology: I used the terms "black"/"white" in the section about the Apartheid related conflicts. As I don't know which terminology is typically used in the African context, this seemed easiest to me, as "Native-Africans" is e.g. a term that applies for many whites in Africa too, especially for the Boers who have been araound for some 400 years. So things would get complicated here and I actually could not be bothered to use something like "Africans-of-European-Descent" (which strictly speaking still wouldn't be correct, since most Boers have some black ancestors). I think the "black/white" terminology is justified here, as this terminology surely describes best, how the conflict was perceived by the actors themselves (hence i.e. "Black Consciousness"). However, if there is a convention on terminology here that I am not aware of, please just change it.
And could please someone correct the article in terms of grammar and spelling? I try to do my best, but am not a native speaker, so there are surely errors.
The Mozambican Civil War and the Cold War
I've removed the Cold War section because it was unnecessary and misleading. FRELIMO maintained good relations with the West; RENAMO only had support from South Africa and Rhodesia, though they tried and failed to gain US backing (there was a RENAMO lobby in Washington that enjoyed the support of Jesse Helms and Bob Dole, but they were never successful in convincing Reagan). No real need to insert a Cold War context when it was almost non-existent; but if it must be mentioned, then it should be done properly. This would be a good place to start: http://books.google.ro/books?id=14YWKklpbTEC&pg=PA193#v=onepage&q&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- You are certainly right about the US not supporting RENAMO. However, as you mention above, there was a significant Pro-RENAMO lobby in the US as well as in other countries believing that RENAMO should be supported in order to fight communism. In fact, RENAMO did receive significant financial and organisational support from private sources and NGOs in the west. Apart from this, South Africa's Apartheid regime used the Cold War context to sell its own policy as "anti-communist". This may be a reason why the west failed to take more significant action against South Africa. All this is only understandable only within the context of cold war, "roll-back" etc. which is why I included this section. You are however right that it needs improvement and better sourcing. I will try to do that when I find the time to work on this article again. Or maybe - as you pointed out a possible source - you want to work on it?
- Yours, --Rappatoni (talk) 01:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- I actually got that source from the Wikipedia article on RENAMO, so copying the relevant bit from that article would be one idea. The South Africans tried to sell support for RENAMO as anti-communism, but they fortunately failed. To me, leaving the section as it was implied that they were successful; it described a strategy that worked elsewhere without mentioning that it didn't work here.126.96.36.199 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:14, 6 July 2012 (UTC)