Talk:Muhammad/images

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[edit] Please Remove Photos depicting Prophet

Please remove the photo depicting Prophet Muhammad , its forbidden in Islam

Allah Hafiz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.65.201 (talk) 19:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not bound by any religion's laws, neither Islamic, Christian, Hindu, Jewish or other.Jeppiz (talk) 20:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Is providing non-real images ensures a quality article?

Wikipedia is a great resource of knowledge but because it is a public property, it is difficult to see whether quality is maintained or not. I was reading the discussion about images of Muhammad and the controversy. I understand the neutral point of view Wikipedia supports but i must say that providing non-real pictures of people doesn't ensure a quality article. What is the usage of self-made picture of Muhammad in Kaaba or preaching? Is there any equal logical explanation for that? There is a lot more quality literature about Muhammad in the whole world but that doesn't mean we infest every bit of information. Providing non-real images is not information (concrete information) at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matrixology (talk • contribs) 13:52, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Have you read the FAQ, especially Q3? --NeilN talk to me 13:59, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Remove the Pictures

Being Neutral does not mean that you should heart feelings of more than billion people. See these pictures are just useless you can post other pictures that will be more suitable. It is very sensitive issue Muslims hate these pictures and if you dont remove certainly they will hate your site also. And i dont think that removing these pictures will in anyway violate your policies. And it is not that hiding these pictures in our browser will do any good.

Please read Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. Your arguments have already been addressed there. But I will add:
  • The pictures are already suitable for the article, as they are historically significant works of art by Muslims who evidently had no problem with images of the prophet.
  • Read the Qu'ran. It doesn't prohibit such images.
  • Many people hate many things on Wikipedia. Wikipedia isn't censored for anyone's benefit.
  • Removing the images will violate the core policy of having encyclopedic articles in an encyclopedia.
  • If you don't want to see the pictures, don't look at them. You have instructions on how to hide them, so use those instructions. ~Amatulić (talk) 06:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Remove the pictures of Muhammed now

you had better remove pictures of muhammed because they offensive to every muslim worldwide and if muslim is to come across this page it causes outrage and disgust. Allah can and will punish anyone who support pictures of our holy prophet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.219.221 (talk) 00:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Please read the FAQ; you may hide the pictures by creating an account and following these instructions: Wikipedia:How_to_set_your_browser_to_not_see_images#Specific_pages --NeilN talk to me 00:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
No thanks. We like the pictures where they are. Resolute 01:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Are we supposed to suddenly be afraid because you say a being most of us do not believe exists is going to hurt us? Zazaban (talk) 19:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
it's probably a thinly veiled death threat. As soon as some guy does manage to blow up a plane with explosives stuffed in his drawers they will come back here and say, see what happened because you didn't remove the pictures! --dab (𒁳) 20:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Guys, the original comment was made about a month ago and the editor hasn't come back. Not worth responding to further. --NeilN talk to me 21:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Going through this page and the most recent archive, I find the majority of editors requesting to have these photos removed to generally to be courteous. A large minority of responses to these requests are often rude. This poor reaction reflects poorly on wikipedia as a whole, and there is no excuse for such poor responses. Ikip 05:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Two points:
  1. It is ironic that you left this comment in a section that started out extremely rude, to which replies were comparitively courteous.
  2. Demands to remove images, no matter how they are phrased, are quite rude when the FAQ and prior discussion are completely ignored. That's why the FAQ is there. To repeat a demand ad nauseam that is already addressed in the FAq, is rude. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but I don't think it hurts to remember to be polite when the person asking for the removal does the same. It's already a touchy subject, no need to make it even more acrimonious by being rude when saying "No" (Not singling you out personally, just saying in general). Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:05, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Many editors are quite offended (in my opinion rightly) when demands are made to remove the images and so a degree of curtness is understandable. Generally I think that when a request to remove is phrased politely, the responses are polite and vice versa. I would agree that by now those ignoring the warnings and FAQs are not really acting in good faith and so WP isn't really running the risk of losing face however the response is phrased. raseaCtalk to me 11:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Editors are not "offended", they are just bored by the repetitive postings from people who clearly did not read the FAQ. Also, editors' reactions are positively saintly compared to the flaming you will get in most internet fora for asking a question already answered in giant letters in a FAQ. The real question is, what purpose does this subpage serve at this point? Nobody expects to hear any new points on the matter. The topic has been completely exhausted. All we'll ever get are the same old requests (either phrased politely, or rudely, but in essence just "we don't like it so we want you to remove it"). The correct answer is then "please read the FAQ." We could just use a bot to post these replies, and the Muslim activists could just use a bot to repeat the request. Who profits from that? I say we should just close down this page as it has served its purpose and at this point is nothing but a troll magnet. --dab (𒁳) 16:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

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