Talk:Muhammad Ali

==Nicknames== ==boomer get it done

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Should he be called by his legal last name, that is, ali?

Joe Frazier

Frazier is now dead. Muhammad Ali was/is a very polarising person - a bit like Margaret Thatcher; views about both will be strongly held, but, perhaps, will not always have full references and citations. For the record, I think both were #2; Ali behind Bradman as Sportsman of the Twentieth Century, and Thatcher behind Churchill as UK Prime Minister of the Twentieth Century. And that's opinion - my opinion - only. Almost everyone will disagree with one or other. Fine. Autochthony wrote 2222 Z, 18 February 2012, 109.154.2.175 (talk) 22:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Big Adam

Joe Frazier filled the vacancy and also beat Ali so it's misleading to say he simply just filled the vacancy.

Parkinson's disease has little to nothing to do with head trauma

"Ali was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease in 1984,[24][25] a disease for which those subject to severe head trauma, such as boxers, are many times more susceptible."

It's a degenerative brain disease, note DISEASE. And any link has been refuted as I understand it. The quoted line also states it as fact, and I'm sure if there has been research done on the matter it still remains far from fact. The sentence, to me at least, looks to be out of place and slotted in after someone ctrl-f seatch Parkinson's in the article. 86.46.84.28 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC).

does he really have Parkinsons?

I'm pretty sure I saw contemporary writeups a decade and two ago that said he had symptoms similar to Parkinson's, but that he was suffering from a different pattern. wiki-ny-2007 (talk) 00:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Broken reference == oh ya boys reference 57 has Muhammed instead of Muhammad, so the search fails. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.197.82 (talk) 10:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Reach == for me What is mean with Reach 2 M ? Was his reach 2 metres?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.80.236.182 (talk) 14:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Reach means the measurment of inchs taken from finger tip to finger tip when you spread out your arms. 86.46.70.156 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC).

Inoki

Although I'm pleased with much of the recent cleanup of this article (10-11 thru 10-12), I feel that at least some mention of the Inoki exhibition should have been retained. It received a lot of media attention in Japan, of course, but it also received a fair amount of publicity in the United States [and the UK, too (albeit not always complementary(!)) - Autochthony Writes; Feb 2009) when it occurred. The removed text follows:

Ali's next match after Dunn was a June 25 exhibition against the Japanese wrestler Antonio Inoki. Although widely perceived as a publicity stunt, the match would have a long-term detrimental affect on Ali's mobility. Inoki spent much of the fight on the ground trying to damage Ali’s legs, while Ali spent most of the fight dodging the kicks or staying on the ropes. At the end of 15 rounds, the bout was called a draw. Ali's legs, however, were bleeding, leading to an infection. He suffered two blood clots in his legs as well.

Is there any support for re-integrating at least some of this information back into the article?

— Myasuda (talk) 01:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

A Brit who laughed at, - and enjoyed - the UK coverage of that event says "Hell, yeah!". It should be in! Autochthony Writes; Feb 2009.

Who is Fred Stoner?

At the beginning of the article there is a mention of Ali's other trainer at junior level, but no reference. Fred Stoner is mentioned on numerous occasions in Ali's autobiography 'The Greatest, My Own Story.' The first time is on page 55, where Ali describes encountering a boxer from Stoner's gym and is beaten. He then visits Stoner's gym where he notices that 'the boys from Stoner's gym were better boxer's than those at Martin's.' (page 55 'The Greatest, My Own Story.')

Lukeyo784 (talk) 19:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Suggested alterations == atract me

The following text "However, Ali won a more important victory on June 28, 1971, when the Supreme Court reversed his conviction for refusing induction by unanimous decision in Clay v. United States." which can be found under the title The Fight of the Century should be edited and placed at the end of Vietnam War.

The following text "In 1964, Ali failed the U.S. Armed Forces qualifying test because his writing and spelling skills were sub-par. However, in early 1966, the tests were revised and Ali was reclassified as 1A. This classification meant he was now eligible for the draft and induction into the U.S. Army. This was especially important because the United States was engaged in the Vietnam War. When notified of this status, he declared that he would refuse to serve in the United States Army and publicly considered himself a conscientious objector. Ali stated that "War is against the teachings of the Holy Qur'an. I'm not trying to dodge the draft. We are not supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger. We don't take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers." Ali also famously said in 1966: "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong ... They never called me nigger."[7][8]" can be found, literally the same, under Religion and Vietnam War. There is only one sentence between those two identical texts. --Afopow (talk) 12:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

The article asserts that Ali "developed Parkinson's disease due to the injuries..." but the linked article says that Parkinson's Disease is degenerative and thought to be caused by genetic abnormalities. Given that Ali's disease is not degenerative (and incidentally is thought to be due to his boxing injuries), I think the sentence and link in this article should be changed from Parkinson's disease to Parkinsonism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.12.159.98 (talk) 02:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

correction

Stance Orthodox I guess that Stance Islam,..... ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donquimico (talk • contribs) 23:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

"recent photo"

Page is locked; I can't edit. There's a photo with a caption "... recent photo ..." Wikipedia standards indicate that there should be a date (a year would suffice) instead of the more vague "recent". "A 2004 photo of Ali", for instance, would be an improvement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 20:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Minor point - but I do agree. Autochthony Writes; Feb 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.223.75 (talk) 22:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

locked

would someone unlock this page so i can edit it. I'm a boxing historian and the boxer i know the most about is Ali. i'm not autoconfirmed yet though.--Krasilschic (talk) 20:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Trimming bio section

The GA review states that the bio section needs trimming. What content, and how, can it be trimmed to improve the article and avoid vandalism? The legacy section also needs to be expanded.

It would really help if you (Rumble74) would quit editing the article. --DreamsAreMadeOf (talk) 05:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

click on discussion then edit

I would ask the reviewer Jaranda (talk · contribs · logs) to make a more specific recommendation regarding trimming the article. This GA review took place more than a year and a half ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muhammad_Ali/Archive_3#Failed_GA), and some of the comments made at that time may no longer be pertinent. Myasuda (talk) 03:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

He is Irish American and this is stated on his mothers page, can someone put this up please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.75.155 (talk) 16:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC) ==Liston vs Ali== hello everybody The fight between Ali and Liston went 6 full rounds befor it was stopped befor the 7th round ever started but on the main page it is listed as having gone 7 rounds.I was unable to get into the article but thought someone might change it thank you comment by Frosty87

Neutrality dispute

Can anyone explain why the article is tagged 'neutrality is disputed' (January 2009)? I can't see any discusison of it here. thanks. --hippo43 (talk) 01:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC) Uhhhhhh... noooooooo... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.22.33 (talk) 22:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

ali vs chuck wepner

when ali faced opponent chuck wepner, ali did recieve a punch from wepner however the only reason he fell to canvas was because he was off balance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.200.195.95 (talk) 04:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually as Ali was moving backwards Wepner stood on his foot.This was a little trick Wepner picked up from Sonny Liston —Preceding unsigned comment added by Callingdogsofthunder (talk • contribs) 08:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Career Milestone Deleted

This article used to contain the fact that Clay/Ali was the youngest boxer ever to take the title from a reigning heavyweight champion, a mark that stood until the mid 1980s (Mike Tyson broke it). Prior to Tyson, Patterson was the youngest heavyweight champ, but he won the title during an elimination tournament (following Marciano's retirement) by defeating Archie Moore, the light-heavyweight champ at the time. Taking Liston's crown at age 22 was no small achievement. --NameThatWorks (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Ireland

Can somebody put the name, Abe Grady, of Muhammad Ali's Irish ancestor from Ennis in Co. Clare into this article? Here's a link: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0807/1224252149374.html This story is all over the news in Ireland as Muhammad Ali is due in Ennis on 1 September. The media has routinely been playing excerpts of his last visits to Ireland and showing pictures of him playing Hurling back in the 1960s. 78.16.10.27 (talk) 10:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thrilla in Manila

Please view the video of this fight here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdKlL01b9V4

Our article says that Frazier's eyes were "swollen closed". This is not a true statement. Watch the video and look at Frazier's face at the end of Round 14. His eyes are puffy (right eye more so) but they ARE NOT swollen closed. I'd say his eyes were "swollen and puffy", but I do not agree they were "closed". Mike Tyson's left eye in the Buster Douglas fight was a much better example of a swollen eye. 216.153.214.89 (talk) 05:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Criticism

True, Ali was a great boxer- great reach, foot speed, good dancer, hand speed and a hard hitter, however, he was also one of the dumbest and dirtiest fighters I ever saw. A boxer's body has many targets to hit; Ali was always just a head-hunter. What else do you call someone who has can see 6 or 7 primary targets (or 8,10 or even 12 like Rocky Marciano saw) and only aims at one- Dumb. Ali was also a very dirty fighter and from the very beginning, part of his successes were a result of continually holding an opponents head while he hit and always hitting on the break; both infractions worthy of losing a point in a round. Referees then never called these infractions on Ali. Maybe the referees then were all white and were afraid to call Ali for these infractions for fear of being called a racist. I think my critism should be included in the main article to best describe all of Ali's "talents" and to better understand why Ali succeeded.Dcrasno (talk) 03:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

1) See WP:NOTAFORUM. 2) All statements must be backed up by reliable sources --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 03:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I have no access to the films or other reliable, plentiful media about Ali's fights. Handball Champion Jimmy Jacobs, (one of the co-"owners" of Ali's contract back then) owned the best, most complete catalog of boxing films then. I read that Jacobs' wife inherited the collection after he died; what's happened to it since then? Probably sold to Sony or other big-time film distribution group.

I think any type of info about Ali should be included in this article. good for the Goose- good for the gander. I can't get the films- can you?Dcrasno (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:45, 26 November 2009 (UTC).

What are you talking about? Nothing should be added to the article without being backed up by reliable sources. If these are not available then you're kind of out of luck. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Ali was primarily a straight punch fighter ... it isn't a good idea to hit the body with straights. He was an out fighter who used straights and kept his distance mostly. No reason to aim for anything other than the head like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.84.28 (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I watched most of Ali's fights on TV and was present for the fight in Miami Beach in 1964. His style was unorthodox because he kept his gloves low and stayed out of the range of opponents with his famous shuffle. His hand speed was the probably best in the world and certainly the best in the heavier weight classes. He had a very long reach as traditionally measured, but by moving in and out fast he increased the effectiveness of that reach even more. He did not punch well at all in the clinches and took many more hits than he put out during clinches. He took punches very well and often appeared to slip them even when he got hit hard, a factor that got him a lot of points from scorers.

These suggestions that Ali was a dirty fighter are absolutely false. "Referees ... never called these infractions on Ali" because there were few or none of them. He was no friend of the Refs and they would have been glad to call him on this were there any evidence at all. There are absolutely no reliable sources for the statements and there are videos at Metacafe and YouTube which strongly refute the allegations that he was a dirty fighter. --Komowkwa (talk) 04:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Cultural and political legacy is insufficiently explained

The overview of the political impact of Ali's career is too limited. Immediately after his anti-Vietnam War statements in 1966, Ali was widely criticised reviled and vilified in the media, and there was much support for New York State Athletic Commission suspending his boxing license and stripping him of his title. The contemporary references are plentiful, but mostly on microfiche in newspaper archives now. There is some grounds for the view that the authorities particularly wanted Ali to serve in the army to increase public acceptance of the war in Vietnam - in a similar way to the way that Joe Louis' military service was used to support the war in the Pacific during WWII

Similarly, Cassius Clay's name change in 1964 to Muhammad Ali was very contentious at the time, leading to a drop in his popularity.

Finally, I am considering how to place this part of Ali's career in the context of the civil rights movement, the rise of black militancy and other upheavals that were taking place in US society at the time. This is important for the reader who has no idea of the atmosphere, prominent personalities and connected events taking place at the time. For example, Ali's famous quote about the Viet Cong 'They never called me nigger', is mentioned in the article, but Ali actually borrowed it from Stokely Carmichael.
Centrepull (talk) 13:41, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree completely that Ali's global cultural and political impact has been understated here so far. I grew up during the full span of Ali's boxing career, from Olympic gold medalist, to "brash loudmouth" of the early '60s, to Black Muslim convert, to a man who expanded the doctrine of conscientious objection to military service, to a boxer who regained the title twice in an era of extremely strong heavyweight division competition, to an epic cultural icon who every single world leader on all sides (e.g. Brezhnev) wanted to meet in person. Compared to Ali, Michael Jordan is a mere bystander. Next to Dr. King, Ali may have done as much as anyone in the name of black empowerment, and by the late 1970s, he was almost universally beloved by Americans from all walks of life. Ali's story has been written countless times, and I have started to look for appropriate reliable sources to suggest for this purpose. The article on Babe Ruth could be somewhat of a template, as it reflects the enormity of Ruth's cultural impact in a way that this article needs to do for Ali. Jrgilb (talk) 05:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

1971 Fleischer ranking

A passage on a ranking by Ring magazine founder Nat Fleischer indicating Ali did not rank "in the top ten heavyweights" was deleted as non-germane as the assessment was made was too early in Ali's career to be relevant in the context of its entirety. The dismissal followed only Ali's first ever loss (to then champion Joe Frazier) and did not reflect Ali's subsequent repeat victories over Frazier in 1974 and 1975, his regaining the heavyweight crown (in one of boxing's most memorable bouts ever) from subsequent champion George Foreman (who had devastated Frazier with six knockdowns in two rounds to take Frazier's title away), and Ali's then unprecedented third reclaiming of the heavyweight championship in 1978.

Such an assessment is thus as inadequate as saying Babe Ruth wasn't much of a baseball player because he only pitched five years, ignoring Ruth's subsequent shift to outfield and establishment of himself as the greatest hitter in the history of the game. How Fleischer ranked Ali at the end of Ali's career - if an unbaised assessment of it en toto - would be a different thing. Wikiuser100 (talk) 06:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Nat Fleischer was the foremost boxing historian and journalist for 50 years who founded Ring Magazine and watched most of the great heavyweight champions from ringside. He saw Ali through what most regard as his peak years during the 1960s. He was at ringside for many of his fights, including the first Frazier bout in 1971. His rating of Ali against the other great heavyweights is as adequate as those who rate Ali as 'the greatest' despite never seeing Joe Louis, Jack Johnson or Jack Dempsey etc in the flesh or in some cases not even knowing much about them. How many of those Ring Magazine and ESPN writers who cast their votes for Ali saw Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey live as Fleischer did? Is their opinion inadequate because they lacked Fleischer's first hand knowledge of the older champions?

It is ludicrous to delete the entry by implying he would have reversed himself had he lived longer. In any event, why is a contemporary opinion inadequate? It's akin to deleting public approval ratings on Ronald Reagan's presidency from 1985 on the basis that those casting their votes had not viewed his administration in its entirety and therefore their opinion is 'inadequate'. In 1971 the most prominent boxing historian/journalist of his time (a man who was better placed than most to judge Ali against the past heavyweight champions) did not rank Ali among the ten greatest heavyweights. That sounds perfectly adequate to me.

Jimmy Robinson

There should be a link to Jimmy robinson in the proffesional record-a page does exist-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Robinson_(boxer) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.173.133 (talk) 18:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Sonny Liston "...later claimed a shoulder injury"

How to fix this mistake?

 1) The reason was given immediately, not "later"
 2) A doctor was at least involved, and thus it is misleading to use "claimed"

Together these two words prejudice the issue by implying the untruthfulness of the reason given -- note, the reason might be untrue, but that is not the actual chronology or the way it was reported at the scene.

This phrase "...later claimed a shoulder injury" is misleading and perhaps inaccurate as the shoulder injury was reported in the ring immediately after the fight by Joe Louis who was acting as the color commentator for the TV broadcast.

In the on-air discussion recorded in the ring immediately after the fight, Louis reported speaking with Liston's corner and learning that the/a doctor had reported the injured shoulder as the reason for the stoppage.

It is wrong or misleading on two counts:

This (misleading or incorrect) phrase is in other sources which may be primary or which may be based on this Wikipedia article, but the fight TV recording is clear and unambiguous.

However, I do not know the procedure for documenting and correcting this based on the video tape -- which is shown from time to time, e.g., on ESPN Classic.

HerbM (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Since the text is unsourced currently, I see no harm in changing it to "Then, Liston shocked the boxing world when he failed to answer the bell for the seventh round, stating he had a shoulder injury" which I've done, based on your observations. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

ali sux —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dummaidioter (talk • contribs) 11:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

INTERESTING COMPARISONS WHAT HAPPENED ON THIRD FIGHT, AL JACKSON JR'S MURDERER WAS PAID

NO ROBBERY

Trivia involving ali frazier III fight: After the Ali-Frazier fight, Jackson returned home and found intruders in his house. He was reportedly told to get down on his knees and then shot fatally five times in the back. Around 3:00 a.m. on October 1 1975, Barbara Jackson ran out in the street, yelling for help. She told police that burglars had tied her up and then shot her husband when he returned home. Police found nothing in the house out of place and Al Jackson's wallet and jewelry were still on him. The man police believed to have pulled the trigger had reportedly known someone in Memphis and after robbing a bank in Florida, told them to meet him over at Al Jackson's house. Tracked through Florida to Memphis to Seattle, Washington, the suspected paid triggerman was killed by a police officer on July 15 1976, after a gun battle as stated

HERE: en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al_Jackson,_Jr.&diff=364734205&oldid=364733994 BEST VER The man police believed to have pulled the trigger was the then-boyfriend of R&B singer Denise LaSalle WHO STILL REMAIN THE main SUSPECTS!! !

Ali's Real Name ???

Why does the infobox identify Ali's "Real Name" as Cassius Clay, Jr.? No matter how upset some people got about his name change, it was changed. Cassius Clay, Jr., was his original name or birth name. His "Real Name" has been Muhammad Ali for almost 50 years. --Komowkwa (talk) 02:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

OK!

Sufism

Sufism almost always falls under, and is considered a legitimate part of "Sunni Islam", especially the brand Muhammad Ali is inclined towards. Most importantly, his public statements are that he is a Sunni Muslim, and visits a Sunni Mosque. The sentence seems to give the impression that he's converted to something 'different' to Sunni Islam. Perhaps this should expressed more clearly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.96.92.44 (talk) 18:21, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

That is a false statement. Sufism and Sunni Islam are two different things. Someone65 (talk) 16:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

It needs to be reliably sourced. That section of the lede was removed today and should not be re-added until a better source is found. I disagree with this edit by user:BigCoolGuyy that Suffi Islam is not notable but wp:blp requires more than an interview of Ali's daughter to make that kind of claim. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

nevermind, the beliefnet source is fine, I didn't realize it was an interview about the biography. If someone had the book or could find quotes talking about Ali identifying as Sufi, that would be better. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 16:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Sufism and Sunni Islam are not always seperate. Sufism just involves more dhikr. Sunni Sufis still consider themselves Sunni can go to the same mosque. This practice doesn't exclude Sunni Islam. We can include G.O.A.T. as a Sunni Muslim. 1907AbsoluTurk (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

The study of Islam can be divided into many fields of study. Seerah is the study of the life of Muhammad for example. Tasawuf is the study of purifying the soul. The Muslims that focus on matters of purifying the soul are known as Sufis. A Sufi can be Sunni or Shia. Saying that he converted to Sufism is false and misleading. Someone needs to change that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.34.134.64 (talk) 13:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Agree that Sufism is not necessarily separate from Sunni Islam. Sufism is a spiritual dimension to the religion of Islam, so you can't "convert" to it. At the very least, getting involved in Sufism, doesn't automatically exclude a person from Sunni Islam. The wording "...subsequently converting to Sunni Islam in 1975, and more recently to Sufism...." in the main article is misleading. First sentence on the Wikipedia's article on Sufism reads: "Sufism or taṣawwuf (Arabic: تصوّف‎) is defined by its adherents as the inner, mystical dimension of Islam." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.119.114 (talk) 02:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

1960's

It has been noted since the 1960's that Cassius Clay is three sixteenths white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 14:34, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

One Quotation Just Removed

In July of 2010, this quote was removed:

"Many years later, Foreman would become champ again at age 45. Muhammad Ali (Foreman's best friend at the time) did not attend the title bout. When asked why, he said 'I would deviate attention from George. It was his moment, not mine.'"

This is one of many quotes in this article that to not have "verifiable" authority. However, this is a widely repeated quote about the 1994 Michael Moorer fight. Also, the reference to Ali and Foreman being friends late in Foreman's career is widely reported. I believe these comments to be true. There is no question that Foreman was upset about the rematch issue and remained upset for well over a year, but I know that Ali and Foreman were at least on speaking terms long after Ali had his last fight in 1981. They did not hate each other and it was rumored that Foreman blamed Don King for the rematch problem and was supposed to be one reason Foreman refused several rematch demands himself. Also, the comment is in character because a few times I saw Ali with Foreman and Larry Holmes at public functions, Ali got all the attention and he was told that Holmes resented that fact because he had beaten Ali. I did not put any of the quotes in this article. However, I looked for a strong authority for the quoted views which were removed, but could not find them. Does anyone know an valid source other than original research?

The reason for removal, cited in this instance, is unsupported as well. Is there a reason to single this quote out for removal or should all the unsourced quotes be removed at the same time? -- Komowkwa (talk) 23:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Lack of evidence

Cassius Clay arranges for the only independent witness to be killed in a separate fight. This leaves us with no proof that he was ever attacked by a white gang at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.3.117 (talk) 08:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Ali's Rankings in introduction

   I think the introduction of the article is  biased and  anti-Ali.

The expression "one of the greatest heavyweights of all time" is a severe understatemnt. Basicly only 2 people are competing for the title Ali and Louis. IN the worst case the expression could have been:"Ali along with Joe Louis are considered to be the greatest heavyweight fighters in the history of boxing" Ali dominated the period known as "The Golden age of Heavyweight Boxing" and was declared the number 1 Heavyweight in history by Ring Magazine in 1998(1997). He defeated 5 people in the top ten fighters of heavyweight history.

   I think that the information regarding his recognition from Ring magazine should be put immediatly in the introduction.

because basicly it is the most important recognition from the highest regarded authority in boxing. Espn classic says that Muhammad Ali si the greatest boxer of all time in theyr last list, check it out here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ681uiIr5Y —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neohertz (talk • contribs) 12:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

It s the same with Pelé and Diego Maradona in Soccer, both are considered as the greatest players that ever lived. But now some people believe that Lionell Messi could overtake them. In my opinion it s ok to say "one of the greatest of all time", because "the greatest of all time" is simply not objective, it s subjective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niten Doraku (talk • contribs) 20:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting the absolute "greatest of all time" quote.But i've seen "one of the greatest heavyweights of all time" both on Marciano's,Foreman's and a cuple others heavyweights wikipages.It's a too common expression.Ali and Louis simple stand out form the crowd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neohertz (talk • contribs) 00:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I know what you mean. Some times i aks myself what kinds of "sources" Wikipedians need to change pages. This ESPN documentary looks very serious. But if you go to the page of Foreman or Marciano, you can t find anything like "Ranking in HW History". Ali is definately considered as one of the greatest HW Boxer of all time, but if people check out his page closer they will figure out he´s alongside with Louis the leading candidate for being the greatest. Otherwise i would not get that much on Wikipedia. If you want to find your truth, watch documentary´s, read books and look for 2nd and 3rd sources. A very good example is the german page of Chuck Norris, whichs claims Norris was 6 times world champion in full contact Karate (1968-1973). This wrong information is also taken by imdb, but in fact he was never a full contact fighter. Full contact karate/kickboxing started in the USA in 1970, and the first World Championship fight was around 1979, long after Norris´ retirement. The english Wiki is right about it and don´t claim he was a full contact fighter. This is just an example. Always look for more sources and not just go for wiki. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niten Doraku (talk • contribs) 09:26, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Autochthony writes 'Greatest of All Time' is opinion. I - one individual - think that Ali was the Greatest Boxer of All Time, but that actually proves nothing. Joe Louis was champion for eleven years, but across World War Two - not all boxers were actively boxing then, I guess. Rocky Marciano was undefeated - but even he said, if I remember correctly, that he would 'never' have beaten Ali [context the Computerised fights in about 1969], citing reach. Where do the Modern Mammoths - Lennox Lewis, the Klitschkos, and Valuev - the seven foot all, 330 pound 'Beast from the East' - figure in all this? It's opinion, nothing more. Autochthony wrote. 2240 Z 18 February 2012. 109.154.2.175 (talk) 22:37, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

page move/disambiguate

the term Muhammad Ali should be to a disamb page, with something like Muhammad Ali (boxer) linking here as there is a global perspective and the boxer is not, nor has been, the historically more important figure. that dispute would be between Muhammad Ali of Egypt and Muhammad Ali JinnahLihaas (talk) 08:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 90.201.99.190, 4 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Muhammad Ali vs Billy Daniels in 1962 was fought at the St Nicholas Arena, New York. Not in LA as stated.

90.201.99.190 (talk) 10:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Done -Atmoz (talk) 23:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Boxrec rating

I have added in the introduction the fact that boxrec one of the most proeminent boxing websites has ranked ali as the best heavyweight of all time and p4p on the third place in history of boxing.The reference is on the external links places .Please refer from deleting information form the website.Thank you (added by Neohertz)

I have removed that info and those links. Boxrec does not meet our standards as an external link, which can be found in WP:EL. Furthermore, I see no indication that their opinion carries any particular weight, so I also removed the sentence from the article. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Dude you'rea moron.Boxrec is used and has been cited by boxing specialists round the world.It is the largest single database of boxing archives in the world.Boxing historians,managers,and fightrs all use it.I've seen it being quoate in countlesss ocasions on Ring and in other places. I would ask an admin to ban the user qwrxian and resote my deleted coment. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neohertz (talk • contribs) 08:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

"Boxrec does not meet our standards as an external link" ???? You have GOT to be kidding me. That might be the most absurd thing I have seen in print in years. If anything, Wikipedia would not meet Boxrec's standards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.147.51.2 (talk) 14:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 24.9.112.26, 29 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} "who is widely considered one of the greatest heavyweight championship boxer of all time" please change boxer to boxers 24.9.112.26 (talk) 04:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Done Thanks for the fix. 04:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

Isn't here any admin who can stop the vandalism of the boxrec rankings on this Muhammad Ali page?Thank you.I would also want to knoe whothe vandal is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neohertz (talk • contribs) 18:23, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Removing information or links that do not meet our standards is not vandalism. Even if I'm wrong, and boxerrec is a reliable source and/or valid external link, that still doesn't make my changes vandalism. Please see WP:VANDAL for details. On Wikipedia, editing is collaborative, and you will regularly find people who disagree with you--this does not make their changes vandalism. Furthermore, I just checked, and boxerrec.com is an open wiki (like Wikipedia). Open wikis are never reliable sources, and only rarely acceptable as external links. I'm going to remove the boxerrec references in the article at this point. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:56, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Boxrec is not an open wiki.It has an editorial board.No one can submit information on boxrec without the previous checking of the editorialists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neohertz (talk • contribs) 15:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Religion

Need to be careful with this religion v spirituality. How can someone give up religion and be a Muslim? It is a theological argument and has no foundation in a bio. and , the author has clearly used a POV and a license to place her own words onto a topic she is ill qualified to debate. Actually it should be removed or re-written. "given up religion," is loaded. Plus it is no where in the daughters testimony it is assumed and introduced only by the author. the daughter is disusing degrees of religiosity, she her self says she is a Muslim but loosely--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 10:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what you're objecting to in this article, can you quote the specific section you have an issue with? To be clear, this is an article on Muhammad Ali, the boxer; not Islam or religion or theology in general. The views about Ali's spirituality are from an interview of his daughter about an autobiography that she and Ali coauthored. They reflect how he self-identifies with his religion which is how the article should be written per WP:BLP. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 17:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I think the objection was to the interview abstract by Deborah Caldwell http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Islam/2005/02/Muhammad-Alis-New-Spiritual-Quest.aspx which is a reference for the statement about "converting" to Sufism in the main article. Referring to that interview and stating that Muhammad Ali converted to Sufism in one of the first sentences of the main article should be reconsidered and revised. I think that the wrong conclusion of Deborah Caldwell about "giving up religion" shouldn't be the reason which pushes the Wikipedia authors to include or imply it by saying "converted". See topic "Sufism" on the discussion page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.119.114 (talk) 03:10, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 67.155.15.130, 20 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} It is as if Muhammad Ali never met Herbert Muhammad and that Mr. Muhammad never managed him from 1966 to 1981. Why is that? Why is there a persistent move to erase Herbert Muhammad from history? Mr. Muhammad made it possible for ALL atheletes to enjoy bigger payouts, due to his negotiations for Ali with fight promoters. If it is OK with Ali and Lonnie, tell the whole truth.. You can check all sources of public domain for this fact, circa 1965 to 1998.

email address removed

67.155.15.130 (talk) 00:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

This template may only be used when followed by a specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it.

Requests to edit semi-protected articles must be accompanied by reference(s) to reliable sources. If you can supply such a reference, please reinstate your request. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  09:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 63.146.245.3, 9 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} While Ali's record is correct in the summary box (top right of page), it is incorrect lower down in the table that details each individual fight. In the table he is credited with 4 losses instead of 5.

63.146.245.3 (talk) 19:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Done Thanks. -Atmoz (talk) 14:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Ali's ring record

Very awful mistakes on this page. Ali had 61 fights with 56 victories and 5 defeats, with 37 knockouts. This page lists false records, one having him with four losses, one with thirty nine knockouts, twice listed with 57 wins; these numbers are incorrect. Boxrec has the correct record, here is the link http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=000180&cat=boxer Additional link from ESPN http://espn.go.com/classic/s/Ali_record.html I hope this is changed immediately; this is an embarrassing mistake for such a prominent figure's article.(69.112.90.253 (talk) 04:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC))

Hopefully fixed. See above. -14:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

It still isn't correct. He had 56 wins and 37 knock outs in 61 fights. See the above links. This article still says that he had 57 wins with 39 knockouts with 62 fights, which is wrong. The only thing corrected was his number of losses.(69.112.90.253 (talk) 19:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC))

Is that better? I don't follow the sport, so I'm assuming the number of knockouts plus decisions needs to add up to the total number of wins. So I changed that to 19. If that's not correct, let me know, and I'll change it back. -Atmoz (talk) 20:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, 19 decisions is correct, though the Introduction needs to be changed to provide his correct record as well as the "statistics" under his top picture.(69.112.90.253 (talk) 20:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC))

Done. As usual, point out any errors. (This would be easier if the article wasn't protected...) -Atmoz (talk) 23:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The record should include figures at the left side, like most other records on wiki. i mean like 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, etc for each fight. If someone could do this it would be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.235.157 (talk) 22:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

redirect

why does this come here? he is not the most known, hes the most known in america/the west, Muhammed Ali of Alabnia/Egypt is more glboally known. A disamb. page is in order.Lihaas (talk) 03:46, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 2high, 4 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

2high (talk) 20:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Stickee (talk) 06:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Question about victory of Elmo Henderson

There is a Texas Monthly article that documents how a boxer named Elmo Henderson defeated Muhammad Ali in a 1972 match, and yet Henderson did not become famous (his notability stems from the Texas Monthly article about his case and the separate articles related to a libel lawsuit he filed against Playboy) - See the Texas Monthly article at http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3583462/The-shot-not-heard-round.html

Would it be too much detail if I included stuff about Henderson in Ali's article? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The Henderson fight isn't mentioned in Ali's professional boxing stats. My impression is that Henderson claims are questionable. GoodDay (talk) 17:39, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The Texas Monthly article itself states that Muhammad Ali kept a very detailed list of his fights, but for some reason that one isn't on the record books. The author first found out about Henderson by looking at an old newspaper photo of Henderson and Ali together.

"Most of that information was just a Nexis search away. But the exhibition in San Antonio didn't show up in the books, not even in a career like Ali's, which has been chronicled down to the round. I studied the newspaper picture. It was the reason I'd found Elmo in the first place. A doctor friend of mine had given him my number after Elmo had been in for some malady or another. When the doc asked him for identification, Elmo told him this story and pulled out this picture. It was a twentieth-generation copy of a copy and mostly black blur. All that was discernible were two figures, one in a pair of white Everlast trunks. At some point in the past, Elmo had scrawled "Alie" on the trunks. He must have repeated the story more times than he could remember, so many times that it seemed to..."

I don't have access to the full article, but I will submit a resource request so I can read the whole thing. There have to be some details of clarification (maybe the type of fight or the venue) - And if there are spokespeople who do deny the thing, then I'll change the wording. If Henderson said "I won" but many people come forward saying "he didn't in that match" in the same Texas Monthly article or in another RS - then I would change the description of the text in the article.

Also I'd like to get a copy of the playboy article, but we have to treat it carefully because Henderson won a libel suit against the author and the publisher

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:18, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

After seeing the full article, there is definitely a full photo of Henderson vs. Ali. It's on the front page of the Texas Monthly article. The full article states that there is an account of the fight in at least one newspaper

"The Muhammmad Ali Boxing Show, as it was billed, rolled into San Antonio a few days hefore Tuesday night's charity exhibition. Details of the event are hard to pin down; the coverage in the two San Antonio dailies, the San Antonio Light and the San Antonio Express"

"The newspaper accounts, however, place Elmo squarely in the ring. The Express said that "Henderson danced better than Ali and made better faces ... and he was chased after two rounds, undoubtedly by design." The Lights story offered only a little more detail: "The audience booed the lack of action in the first round... [But] Ali displayed his famous left jab and footwork in the second round, let his knees sag after alight blow to the jaw, then stalked a surprised [referee Charles] Golden as if he intended to work him over."" WhisperToMe (talk) 02:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

You'd think this would've been big news in the sports world. GoodDay (talk) 02:44, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Why it wasn't... it beats me. I want to find the names of the articles and place resource requests for them too. It is possible that they may only be available on microfilm and only available out of libraries in San Antonio, TX WhisperToMe (talk) 13:22, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I think I may have found part of the answer. That particular fight was an exhibition match. It did open some opportunities for Henderson, as explained in the article; for instance he got to go to Zaire with George Foreman. WhisperToMe (talk) 14:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

It's highly likely that Ali allowed Henderson to win, being an exhibition fight. GoodDay (talk) 15:36, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

It's possible - If there is something that I'm missing in the Texas Monthly article (or from another source) that is suggesting that Ali allowed Henderson to win, then whatever is stated could be added.

In regards to exact recollections of the fight - the TM author notes that personal recollections of all of the boxers quoted in the article (Henderson included) could be faulty as they were boxers and likely sustained severe brain damage - The author of the TM article says that the newspaper accounts do not quite "jibe" with Henderson's version, but they are not so different that Henderson's version of the fight absolutely has to be ruled out

WhisperToMe (talk) 23:10, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I suppose mentioning the exhibition fight & its results, won't hurt. GoodDay (talk) 00:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Alright - I'll put it in the appropriate section and supply the citation :) WhisperToMe (talk) 02:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

edit request

In the "personal life" section we have the sentence "They have one adopted son, Asaad Amin, who they adopted when Amin was five." Repetition of adopted is less than good English; I suggest a change to They have one son, Asaad Amin, who they adopted when Amin was five. 80.74.16.198 (talk) 13:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

He does not have parkinson's disease

He has parkinson's syndrome. The article used for reference 29 quotes his physician, Dr. Ecker, clearly and unequivocally I know for a fact that he does not have Parkinson's disease, 70.185.201.217 (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)SPalmer

Thank you for pointing that out. I've made the change. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Correcton to Muhhamad Ali article

Article on Wikipedia refers to Muhammad Ali as the "younger" brother of Rahman Ali in first sentence below. In fact, he is the eldest of the two sons Second sentence again references Rahman as the "elder" brother. Birth Date: Muhammad Ali, January 17, 1942; Rahman Ali,July 18, 1943.

Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr., was born on January 17, 1942, in Louisville, Kentucky.[5] The younger of two boys, he was named after his father, Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr., who was named for the 19th century abolitionist and politician of the same name. His father painted billboards and signs,[5] and his mother, Odessa Grady Clay, was a household domestic. Although Cassius Sr. was a Methodist, he allowed Odessa to bring up both Cassius and his elder brother Rudolph "Rudy" Clay (later renamed Rahman Ali) as Baptists.[6] He is a descendant of pre-Civil War era American slaves in the American South, and is predominantly of African-American descent, with some Irish and English ancestry.[7]

Griffey202 Griffey202 (talk) 12:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Is English and Irish descent enough to categorize

Muhammad Ali was the son of two parents who both would identify as African American, and he would also always identify as such. The issue is not is his English or Iriah ancestry vtraceable, but does it matter. The majority of African Americans have some English ancestry if you go back far enough, at least of those who are descended from slaves. I say that because Obama has made it obvious we have had a post-World War II wave of immigrants from Africa to the US that included his father. To me putting Ali in a cat based on a country his last ancestor left no less than 200 years before his birth and with which he does not identify with seems excessive.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

"The majority of African Americans have some English ancestry" That is an ignorant statement. What do you understand by "English"? What is "English". What are you talking about? Your point of view is perverted by English acculturation and verges on Anglo Supremacist indoctrination. Ali has distant Irish ancestry, fact. Go ahead and call an Irishman "English" for a first hand lesson in what "English" really means. Most "English" are better described by Americans as "Europeans". Ali's Irish ancestry is relevant if he is aware of it and/or values it in the same way that Che Guevara acknowledged his Irish ancestry, fuelling his activism and political awareness. The whole is greater than the sums of its parts and Ali has a great many parts. I think you will find that the ancestral threads that bind past and future are tighter than you have the abilty to perceive. We are ALL product of our ethnic antecedence. Alex.

Wrong year for first Norton fight

This sentence: "In 1973, Ali fought Ken Norton, who had broken Ali's jaw and won by split decision over 12 rounds in their first bout in 1972." is incorrect. Ali's first fight against Norton did not occur in 1972. The first Norton fight occurred on 3/31/1973 and the second was on 9/10/1973. Very short shrift is being given to these two fights and more detail should probably be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.145.147 (talk) 04:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Tae Kwon Do

Why was the part about him learning how to punch from Jhoon Rhee deleted? (See my page to see what I'm talking about) Tonsdon (talk) 01:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

what is this supposed to mean?

This sentence is incoherent: "Originally known as Cassius Clay, Ali changed his name, after joining the Nation of Islam in 1964, the same year his friend, Malcolm X, would leave, subsequently converting to traditional Islam, Ali would follow suit in the 70's."

Edit request from Creed81, 3 October 2011

In Muhammad Ali's Biography in either the "In Retirement" section and/or the "Ali in the media and popular culture" secton please add: "December 6th, 2003 TASCHEN publishing released a massive 800-page limited edition tribute book weighing 75 lbs entitled GOAT (Greatest Of All Time), the biggest, heaviest and most comprehensive book ever made on Ali or any other one single human being. The "Champ's Edition" is autographed by Muhammad Ali and comes with a sculpture by Jeff Koons (2003) On October 1st 2010, TASCHEN re-released the book in a smaller unlimited format with the same content, but half the size. (2010)"

Creed81 (talk) 17:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Not done: one request at a time regarding the same issue please. — Abhishek  ^Talk 10:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Creed81, 4 October 2011

In Muhammad Ali's Biography in either the "In Retirement" section and/or the "Ali in the media and popular culture" secton please add: "December 6th, 2003 TASCHEN publishing released a massive 800-page limited edition tribute book weighing 75 lbs entitled GOAT (Greatest Of All Time), the biggest, heaviest and most comprehensive book ever made on Ali or any other one single human being. The "Champ's Edition" is autographed by Muhammad Ali and comes with a sculpture by Jeff Koons (2003) On October 1st 2010, TASCHEN re-released the book in a smaller unlimited format with the same content, but half the size. (2010)"

Creed81 (talk) 22:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Please provide also a source. ZipoBibrok5x10^8 (talk) 06:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Abhishek  ^Talk 10:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 6 October 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Now with sources from New York Times, USA Today, and Los Angeles Times updated at the bottom, In Muhammad Ali's Biography in either the "In Retirement" section and/or the "Ali in the media and popular culture" secton please add: "December 6th, 2003 TASCHEN publishing released a massive 800-page limited edition tribute book weighing 75 lbs entitled GOAT (Greatest Of All Time), the biggest, heaviest and most comprehensive book ever made on Ali or any other one single human being. The "Champ's Edition" is autographed by Muhammad Ali and comes with a sculpture by Jeff Koons (2003) On October 1st 2010, TASCHEN re-released the book in a smaller unlimited format with the same content, but half the size. (2010) Sources: New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/10/books/knockout-of-a-book-for-the-greatest-a-tribute-to-ali-weighs-75-pounds.html?scp=1&sq=Muhammad%20Ali%20Taschen&st=cse; USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2004-04-15-ali-book_x.htm?loc=interstitialskip; Miami Herald ; Los Angeles Times http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2010/09/taschen-and-muhammad-ali-round-2.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JacketCopy+%28Jacket+Copy%29"

Question: Is there more relevant sources than these two. --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 22:10, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Creed81 (talk) 14:57, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

In addition, describing it as 'massive' is not neutral, and the tone of the addition appears to give undue weight (no pun intended) to this specific publication; frankly, the addition seems promotional (for the book) - so I'll decline the {{edit semi-protected}} for now; please re-request if there is consensus.  Chzz  ►  00:30, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 21 October 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} I have taken out the word "Massive" and provided another source from well respected Der Spiegel to not show unfair bias towards this book but to merely state the facts of how it was received on a world wide scale. With sources from New York Times, USA Today, and Los Angeles Times updated again at the bottom, In Muhammad Ali's Biography in either the "In Retirement" section and/or the "Ali in the media and popular culture" section please add: "December 6th, 2003 TASCHEN publishing released a 800-page limited edition tribute book weighing 75 lbs entitled GOAT (Greatest Of All Time), which Der Spiegel Newspaper called "... the biggest, heaviest, most radiant thing ever printed in the history of civilization." (http://www.taschen.com/media/downloads/clipping_20031006_spiegel_0902201923_id_66110.pdf.) The "Champ's Edition" is autographed by Muhammad Ali and comes with a sculpture by Jeff Koons (2003) On October 1st 2010, TASCHEN re-released the book in a smaller unlimited format with the same content, but half the size. (2010) Sources: New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/10/books/knockout-of-a-book-for-the-greatest-a-tribute-to-ali-weighs-75-pounds.html?scp=1&sq=Muhammad%20Ali%20Taschen&st=cse; USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2004-04-15-ali-book_x.htm?loc=interstitialskip; Miami Herald ; Los Angeles Times http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2010/09/taschen-and-muhammad-ali-round-2.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JacketCopy+%28Jacket+Copy%29

Creed81 (talk) 00:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure why there was an {{edit semi-protected}} here - it sounds like you've already made changes? If I'm mistaken, and there's some request, please post another {{edit semi-protected}}, thanks.  Chzz  ►  07:20, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Relationship with Howard Cosell

I am surprised that there isn't a section in the article about Ali and Cosell. Some have said that both owe their popularity and career to the other. They had a strong friendship and enjoyed ribbing each other, sometimes very strongly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.116.205.162 (talk) 16:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Autochthony writes. Ali was a good publicist. He had a similarly good (media-)relationship with Harry Carpenter, a very well-regarded commentator, in the UK. Is this worth mentioning in the main article? Ali was not the only boxer with whom Carpenter appeared, in public, to get on famously well with. Autochthony wrote. 2251 Z. 18 February 2012. 109.154.2.175 (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 January 2012 - Hopefully last time and all changes are made

In response to repeated requests in October, and the fact that I was asked to resubmit as well, I'm hoping someone with access can put the comment in quotes below. I have taken out the word "Massive" and provided another source from the well respected German Daily "Der Spiegel" to not show unfair bias towards this book but to merely state the facts of how it was received on a world wide scale. With sources from New York Times, USA Today, and Los Angeles Times updated again at the bottom, In Muhammad Ali's Biography in either the "In Retirement" section and/or the "Ali in the media and popular culture" section please add:

"December 6th, 2003 TASCHEN publishing released a 800-page limited edition tribute book weighing 75 lbs entitled GOAT (Greatest Of All Time), which Der Spiegel Newspaper called "... the biggest, heaviest, most radiant thing ever printed in the history of civilization." (http://www.taschen.com/media/downloads/clipping_20031006_spiegel_0902201923_id_66110.pdf.) The "Champ's Edition" is autographed by Muhammad Ali and comes with a sculpture by Jeff Koons (2003) On October 1st 2010, TASCHEN re-released the book in a smaller unlimited format with the same content, but half the size. (2010) Sources: New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/10/books/knockout-of-a-book-for-the-greatest-a-tribute-to-ali-weighs-75-pounds.html?scp=1&sq=Muhammad%20Ali%20Taschen&st=cse; USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2004-04-15-ali-book_x.htm?loc=interstitialskip; Miami Herald ; Los Angeles Times http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2010/09/taschen-and-muhammad-ali-round-2.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JacketCopy+%28Jacket+Copy%29

Creed81 (talk) 18:42, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Not done: You've already added this content to the Muhammad Ali in media and popular culture article which is summarized here in the Muhammad Ali in media and popular culture section. Adding the text again in this article seems less like an improvement and more like advertisement for the books. You could try to build a consensus with the other editors of this article to see if they feel differently. Regards, Celestra (talk) 21:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 January 2012

Remove reference to him having died today. He hasn't. It's rubbish.

Also reprimand user Kittybrewster suitably for vandalism.

195.92.109.20 (talk) 13:35, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Both actions carried out by user Rmhermen 95.151.208.159 (talk) 23:28, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 February 2012

Muhammad Ali started an affair with Veronica Porche in 1974 in Zaire, not in 1975. (I was there covering the pre-Fight training and I saw it. Everyone in his entourage saw it.)

99.173.129.203 (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

N Not done Although the year in the article is unsourced, "personal knowledge" does not satisfy the requirement for Reliable Sources either. If you know where the information is correctly covered, please provide a reference. Dru of Id (talk) 10:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

People from Ennis

{{edit request}} Please put him in Category:People from Ennis. His great grandfather is from there, the town claims him as one of their own, he has been there to visit, he is the first (and so far only) Honorary Freedom of Ennis, etc. [1] [2] [3] [4]

N Not done. His great-grandfather being from Ennis is a decidedly tenuous connection; it's certainly relevant to mention that he's been there, as there seems to be a significant amount of coverage, but to say he's from there is a major stretch. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)