Talk:Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab

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Ibn Abdul Wahhab's Death[edit]

It seems very peculiar that there is no mention of this man's death, it's circumstances or significance.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yusuf-al-amriki (talkcontribs) 08:28, 14 May 2006‎ (UTC)

Gay claims[edit]

Mention the claims that he was gay!--88.111.117.55 (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Fraudulent book attributed to his brother[edit]

It is known among historians of the region that while Ibn Abdul Wahhab's father and brother initially disapproved of his movement, they eventually retracted their criticisms. It is also known that the book attributed to Ibn Abdul Wahhab's brother was written by an Iraqi author with a similar name. This is not even a secret or something only known to academics in the Arabic language, but since the mid-2000s followers of Sufism in the Western world have brought up this claim, knowing that many in the West do not know Arabic and can't look at the primary sources to confirm or deny.

With that in mind, I would like for concerned editors to have a look at the citation used to support this claim which is now in the English version of this article. It links to a book on Google Books but the actual page isn't available. I would like to see what this source actually says though either way, it should be noted that this is simply a claim of some individuals. In Arabic, followers of Sufism who disagree with Wahhabism gave up on this claim long ago once it was disproven, and it only seems to be some English speakers that still cling to this. MezzoMezzo (talk) 08:08, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Due to lack of response, I am going to be WP:BOLD and simply remove the reference to this book. I don't deny that it could possibly be contained within the given source; but without a version online, and given that it's citing a known fabrication - again, there have been more than one research pieces by historians in the Middle East showing that this book was written by an Iraqi who only had a similar sounding name to the subject's brother - I think it's reasonable that it be removed until a better, clearer source can be found. Even then, the way that it is presented should adhere to WP:NPOV; some people claim that the subject's brother wrote this book. The fact that it is a claim should be made clear, as well as the fact that counter-claims exist. As abhorrent as much of the modern world finds the fundamentalist movement of the subject, neutrality must still be adhered to; there is no reason to exaggerate or paint any individual in a better or worse light than reliable sources can show. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Lede neutrality[edit]

I'm somewhat concerned by language like "detractors" and "totally alien". Where are we getting these phrases from? It Is Me Here t / c 11:58, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. I also find problematic the phrase, "...was an Arabian Islamic scholar and founder of a movement that sought to eradicate anti-Islamic practices that had cropped up in Arabia in the 18th century (examples being seeking solace on the graves and burial grounds of various individuals, etc.)." Eradicate anti-Islamic practices... according to whom are these practices anti-Islamic? Ditto for "participants of this reform effort." I recommend rewording the lede as follows:
Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab (Arabic: محمد بن عبد الوهاب‎; 1703 – 22 June 1792)[1] was an Arabian Islamic scholar and founder of a movement that sought to eradicate practices that had cropped up in Arabia in the 18th century and which he claimed to be anti-Islamic. Opponents of this movement coined the term "wahabi" or "wahabism", though neither Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab nor any of the movement's participants referred to themselves as such.[2] His pact with Muhammad bin Saud helped to establish the first Saudi state[3] and began a dynastic alliance and power-sharing arrangement between their families which continues to the present day in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.[4] The descendants of Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab, the Al ash-Sheikh, have historically led the ulama in the Saudi state,[5] dominating the state's clerical institutions.[6]
References
  1. ^ "Wahabi & Salafi". Alahazrat.net. Retrieved 17 September 2012. 
  2. ^ Delong-Bas, Natana J. (2004). Wahhabi Islam. Oxford University Press. p. 4. 
  3. ^ Hourani 1992: 257–258
  4. ^ Nawaf E. Obaid (Sep 1999). "The Power of Saudi Arabia's Islamic Leaders". Middle East Quarterly VI (3): 51–58. Retrieved 23 June 2011. 
  5. ^ Abir 1987: 4, 5, 7
  6. ^ Metz 1992
Note, I didn't check the sources to make sure what's written is true--I only tried to make the language more neutral.Ljpernic (talk) 11:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I think that's good, except that the article Wahhabi movement spells it with two "h"s. It Is Me Here t / c 12:48, 27 August 2014 (UTC)