Talk:Multiplicity (mathematics)

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[This article] is not just about multisets. It also and mostly talks about the multiplicity of roots of a function. So it should not just be in the Category:Set theory. It should be in another category as well. I guessed that it should be in Category:Numerical analysis. If I was wrong, then what other category would you put it in? JRSpriggs 06:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair point, I was a bit rash in removing Category:Numerical analysis. My point was that multiplicity of roots is used more widely than numerical analysis. Hence, I should have put it in a more general category. I have now added Category:Mathematical analysis. Does that make sense? -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 12:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Category:Mathematical analysis is the good one I think. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:13, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
OK. That looks like a better category. But this raises the question of whether "Numerical analysis" should be a subcategory of "Mathematical analysis". It seems like it should be, but it is not now. JRSpriggs 07:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
At the moment, Category:Numerical analysis is a subcategory of Category:Analysis, which also contains Category:Mathematical analysis and Category:Musical analysis. I don't see the rationale for that, so I changed it to make num. analysis a subcategory of math. analysis as JRSpriggs suggest. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 06:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial[edit]

Hey guys, I appreciate the precise mathematical definition of the multiplicity of the zeros of a function, but how about a simple one line explanation that the multiplicity of a root is the number of times that root is repeated? Followed by a simple example, like the root of f(x) = (x-1)^3 is 1, with a multiplicity of 3, because it occurs 3 times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nedunuri (talkcontribs) 18:59, 20 Oct 2006 (UTC)

I second that. Myers6609 (talk) 01:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I added- Multiplicity can be thought of as "How many times does the solution appear in the original equation?". hopefully making it explicit and more clear.Nickalh50 (talk) 19:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that this is just informal language; there is no such thing as "occurring as a solution" in general; a value either is a solution of a problem, or it isn't. The reason that one can define multiplicity in the case of a polynomial equation is that there is a method to "remove" a solution (namely division of the polynomial by a factor corresponding to the root), and that only if the root still persists as a solution of te new problem does one consider it to occur more than once. The text already says this, and the lead section already says that multiplicity in general means being present multiple times, when a precise meaning can be given to that. So what does the sentence really add? Marc van Leeuwen (talk) 03:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Root / zeros[edit]

The article should be consistent in using root or zeros. Root is the more common in scientific use. Thomas Nygreen (talk) 22:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Then edit it... However, in analysis, I think that the zeroes of a function is more common than roots. mattbuck (talk) 23:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

In my experience, root, zero, & solution are used more or less interchangeably in this context. We need links to Root_of_a_function and I added a few.Nickalh50 (talk) 20:42, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Multiplicity of a zero section needs an added explanation of why it won't overestimate the multiplicity[edit]

This could be something simple, like "if k is an underestimate, then the limit evaluates to 0, and if k is an overestimate, then the limit evaluates to ∞, which is not a real number." Or it could give a full-fledged derivation for why both of these is the case. Regardless, an explanation is needed, IMHO.

It could also be pointed out that k need not necessarily be an integer. Take f(X) = X1.5 at 0, for a simple example.

I don't really have any real expertise on this topic; I'm just going by what I see on face value (plus a little, I guess), so if there's any mistaken impression here, feel free to correct me, and there will be no hard feelings. :) --69.91.95.139 (talk) 01:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Multiplicity of a zero section should be rewritten for precision or removed[edit]

In its current state, this section is not correctly formulated, and is a very bad illustration of the general notion of multiplicity. Since nothing is required of the function (an indeed the interval is not even required to not be reduced to a point), it need not be continuous at its zero; if it isn't, I think none of the definitions given applies, so one can only conclude that the zero has no multiplicity at all (not even multiplicity zero). Other problematic points are infinite multiplicities (which are not allowed in the most common definition of multiset; even those who prefer to be more liberal make it a cardinal number, not just infinity) and multiplicities that are in other ways undefined (what is the multiplicity of the zero of x\mapsto x^\alpha for any positive real number α?). I insist that while infinite multiplicities can be admitted in some cases (any "root" of the zero polynomial), ordinary use of "multiplicity" does not allow it to be just any real number (and why not quaternions for tomorrow's new application?) Marc van Leeuwen (talk) 08:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)