Talk:Municipal council (Sweden)

Coordinates needed?? How? There are 290 municipal assemblies in Sweden. --Muniswede (talk) 21:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was added by a bot, I removed it. --Skizzik ^talk 21:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the term legislative. A municipal assembly is not a legislature and cannot pass laws. Perhaps decision-making is a better word. --Muniswede (talk) 22:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Official term in English?[edit]

I don't think 'municipal assembly' is an official term in English even if it might be used in some translation of some legal act. A kommunfullmäktige is the Swedish equivalent of a city council and the information on this page should be moved to the page about city council. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.47.221 (talk) 23:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

City council is not a very good translation (even if it is sometimes used). as there are no "cities" (in the legal meaning of the word) in the country. The Swedish law does not in any way make a difference between rural and urban local government areas. Most of them are mixed with both "city" and "country" within the same entity. The Swedish term kommunfullmäktige could be translated in different ways, such as municipal council &c. But,there is an officical translation http://www.regeringen.se/content/1/c6/02/95/35/ca584fee.pdf issued by the Government of Sweden. That is the nearest we could come "an official term in English", as English is not an official language in the country. Why don't use this term? --Muniswede (talk) 08:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? Because it is not the term used for the equivalent local parliamentary councils in English speaking countries. It seems like some invented term. In the USA, a municipal assembly is rather something which in Sweden would be called a "kommunalstämma", i.e. where all inhabitants of the municipality gather to decide on common matters, not just elected politicians, as in a city council. The municipal parliament is usually called a city council in English regardless of what the municipality is "titled", even if the specific parliaments in towns and other settlements may have other names reflecting the status of that particular municipality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.47.221 (talk) 23:42, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Municipal assembly is the best possible translation, because it is used in an official translation of the Swedish law. But is also used in some English speaking countries, such as Ghana http://vibeghana.com/2011/12/22/wa-municipal-assembly-to-sponsor-midwives/ , so it is not "invented" by some Swedish translator. It is also the English translation of the Portuguese term Assembleia Municipal. The only possible alternative is "Municipal council", but definitely not "City council". It is important that there a no "status" differnces between Swedish municipalities. --Muniswede (talk) 12:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

City council is seen as a generic term in English, regardless of the "status" of the municipality. You could very well talk about "the city councils of the cities, towns and villages". Portuguese is not English. The use of the term municipal assembly in the translation you refer to is just the choice of the translator, it is in no way to be seen as an official name in English of this kind of local parliament. But if the status of the municipalities is so important to you, I could accept the term municipal council.

Please sign your comments! This is absurd. There is also an article called Municipal council. "Cities", "towns" and "villages" are not administrative entities in Sweden, but just populated places. A kommun is often much larger than that and there could be as much as 25 populated places within the area. Kiruna Municipality e.g. is larger than the entire country of Slovenia. The translator of the Swedish Local government act has, for one reason or another, chosen the term "Municipal assembly" for kommunfullmäktige. This term is also used in some English speaking countries, so it could not be regarded as "wrong". Therefore it is most appropriate to use it here. --Muniswede (talk) 22:04, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have no signature, so I cannot sign my comments. I don't want to, because of disrespectful people like you, which Wikipedia is full of. Calling someone else's view 'absurd' is not very nice.

We are not discussing populated places, we are discussing municipalities. In some countries, there are municipalities called cities, towns, hamlets and what not. In Sweden, there are just kommuner. Formally, there are no cities or towns in the Swedish realm since the beginning of the 1970's. However, the most generic English term corresponding to kommunfullmäktige is still city council (or something similar + council). When I look up kommunfullmäktige in Swedish-English dictionaries, I haven't found one which translates it as 'municipal assembly'. See e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.47.221 (talk) 19:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think most of the translations are made the other way round. Texts about such councils/assemblies in other countries translated into Swedish. To me, municipal council (but not city council as we do not have different types of municipalities), is perhaps the best translation. When i wrote this article in 2007 it was named Kommunfullmäktige with the Swedish term and had the following wording:

Kommunfullmäktige is the name of the elected council governing everyone of the 290 municipalities of Sweden. The term used in the English version of the the Swedish Local Government Act (Kommunallagen) is Municipal assembly, but Municipal council or even City council is sometimes used as a translation.

Each assembly is elected on a four year term at the same time as the parlamentary elections. The assembly, which normally cannot be disolved has 31 to 101 members in relation to the population of the municipality.

Kommunfullmäktige was introduced in 1971 replacing kommunalfullmäktige and stadsfullmäktige.

In bilingual Finland kommunfullmäktige is the Swedish term for kunnanvaltuusto with the same meaning.

Some time later it was moved to its present name. I can accept council (as the most common word for such elected bodies) or assembly (as the word chosen in the translation of the Kommunallagen). But only municipal as it is important to point out that the term used in Swedish (kommunfullmäktige) is the same in all municipalities. --Muniswede (talk) 09:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, let's move this article to Municipal council (Sweden). As you rightly point out, there are not towns in Sweden nowadays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.47.221 (talk) 02:19, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Sockpuppeting allegations aside, I don't see any valid opposing arguments to this result. Aervanath (talk) 14:10, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Municipal assembly (Sweden) → Municipal council (Sweden) – Since there is no official term in English for kommunfullmäktige, a type of local parliament in municipalities in Sweden, since city council seems to be the closest to a generic term there is in English and since there are no cities or towns in Sweden since 1971. The move is also supported by the earlier discussion on the talkpage. 83.250.47.221 (talk) 23:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support according to consensus above. Pinut (talk) 09:44, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Abstain because of what GameOn writes, I think I don't understand the principles of voting rights here, so I withdraw my support for the consensus. However, I don't oppose it either. Mr. Atom Scania (talk) 12:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please note that both users above are suspected of being sockpupets of the user E.G. on svwp. Before closing this request, wait for the checkuser result. GameOn (talk) 15:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't understand what you want with your comment. Do you have any opinion on the subject at hand here? It has been discussed above. Is this consensus which was reached by 83.250.47.221 and Muniswede right or wrong? Do you think your suspictions about some people should lead to the consensus reached by other people should not be followed, or what's your point? Mr. Atom Scania (talk) 11:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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