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Lack of Public Transportation[edit]

"Largely residential in character, Murrieta is considered a "bedroom community", with large numbers of its residents commuting to jobs in San Diego and Orange counties,"

Why are there no express buses or trains to either San Diego or Orange Counties?

Why is it that the Temecula Valley, with a population of nearly a quarter million people, has such a horrible bus system? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill Cousert (talkcontribs) 23:27, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Because everyone uses cars in the area Jman279 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC).
There's a good reason everyone uses cars. There are no other options! Why is it that other parts of the country that are the same size have much better public transit?173.58.251.147 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC).

False argument my friend, the reason there is no mass transit is people prefer cars in the area. Plain and simple, freedom to go where they want when they want.74.100.50.93 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC).

I disagree. Give people a good transit system and they will use it. The people who live here aren't all that different than the people that live in other parts of Southern California. The only reason people don't ride the bus here is it sucks. It only runs once an hour or so and stops running at 6:00pm.74.100.60.53 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC).

You can not prove that people would use it. The area is too spread out for Mass Transit. Jman279 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC).

Removed nonsense[edit]

I removed the following from the History section:

  • Murrieta became a major focal point of the Cold War in 1962, in the heart of the Cuban Missle Crisis, when, while performing routine treatment, environmental specialists discovered, buried deep in Murrieta's foothills, a hidden Soviet missle silo. The silo appeared to have dated back to the 1960's, when the town was much less populus. Upon further inspection, the foothills surrounding Murrieta were found to carry a total of 12 silos. The missles in the silos were taken in for government inspection, and appeared to carry conventional warheads as opposed to a nuclear payload. However, although no radioactive materials were found, an abandoned underground biochemical research lab was uncovered near Temecula.
  • The town of Murrieta again appeared in the headlines in 1985, when the Mayor of Murrieta, Robert Plant, declared his intention to secede from both the state of California and the United States of America. Mayor Plant, suspected of carrying ties to Soviet Russia, hoped to accomplish two goals: to create an international incident between the United States and Soviet Russia, and to bring recognition to his small town.

The city's own website does not mention either of these two events, so it's a pretty safe bet that the above is patent nonsense/vandalism. My apologies if this is not the case, but if you want to re-add this info, include your sources! --Benc

Google has absolutely NOTHING on this as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.35.112 (talk) 20:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Fun to think about, but definitely nonsense! (Consider the fact that Murrieta did not become a city until 1991, thus there was no mayor in 1985) =) --Bandislife 03:41, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • There was an Honorary Mayor, Rita Parks in 1983 before city hood.-Murrieta Long Time Resident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.234.83.12 (talk) 21:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
      • I don't understand why this is nonsense, while I don't have material proof you can ask anyone in Historic Downtown (since mrs. parks now has declining health) and they will tell you!!! I would like to know where you think you get your information from. If google and murrieta.org is your only source maybe you should let someone who has lived in Murrieta longer take this over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.19.86 (talk) 04:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
I been to Murrieta a few times, but had a community council since 1984. Some unincorporated areas have councils to represent their community. But what made them different is they have county services (sheriff and fire dept.) and don't pay city taxes. I've heard of Robert Plant and he was a member of the Communist Party USA, a far-left political organization that wanted to indoctrinate America become a communist country. Murrieta isn't a far-left haven, but appearently a conservative middle-class suburb that's inclined to vote mostly Republican in key state and national elections. --Mike D 26 04:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Making the irrelevant relevant.[edit]

I had a problem with how the mention of Rancho Murieta was phrased. It just seemed irrelevant to say "Rancho Murieta is an unincorporated area in northern California". I thought, "Who cares? This is an article on Murietta, not Rancho Murieta." I made a modification to that part which basically says Rancho Murieta has nothing to do with Murietta. I clarified the county that R.M. is in, and also changed the spelling (I noticed R.M. spells it with one "t"). Hope this is an agreeable edit for everybody. Nice article. Nice place that Floyd Landis lives. --Coryma 13:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Landis[edit]

I changed the description of Floyd Landis from "winner of the Tour de France" to "disputed winner of the Tour de France". Some of us believe that he won and that the test results are bogus, but it would be biased to claim that he is a winner without any reference to that. There is no doubt that his win is disputed, therefore I think this is a reasonable edit. --Bandislife 06:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Education[edit]

Who changed the education section on Oct. 4, 2006? There are not 3 existing high schools, nor are there two continuation schools. I am undoing that edit. --Bandislife 06:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

  • There are now Jman279 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC).

I removed some unsubstantiated/unhelpful information ("The Murrieta Valley School District boasts some of the top schools in the county of Riverside."). There really isn't any kind of metric that can be used to support this anyway; even if awards and accolades were listed, it'd be entirely opinion to claim the school district was the best. That's my two cents -- anyone have a differing opinion?

Also changed the wording of the "Calvary" sentence that followed. Looking for a reference article to substantiate the affiliation claim -- this far it's my conjecture from my experience living in Murrieta for 17 years. 173.58.46.123 (talk) 18:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Famous Residents[edit]

Is there any way we can verify the Tom Cruise and Steven Spielberg stuff? I have a lot of doubt. If we don't have a source I don't think it should be in there. What the hell would they want a house in Murrieta for anyway? --Bandislife 06:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I had to remove Queen Elizabeth II owning a home in Bear Creek. Until anyone can prove otherwise its really idiotic to make such a statement. - signed by anon IP

  • found a source for the info and added it again —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jman279 (talkcontribs) 04:19, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
The Church of Scientology had a long history being active in Murrieta with the entire Riverside area, probably what has brought Tom Cruise to take up part-time residence. The nearby communities of Murrieta Hot Springs, farther off Canyon Lake adjacent to Sun City, California created by real estate enterpreneur Del Webb in the 1950's, and the unincorporated semi-rural community of Rancho California designed by the Kaiser Land Company in the 1960's is known to boost a high number of millionaire residents. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 02:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

How famous is Ronnie Parker? I saw his link on this page and went to the article and saw how badly written it was. Feeling sorry, I fixed it up a bit, but I still don't know who this guy is and if he really counts as "famous".--Thankstelfair 03:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I do know a Nickelodeon drama TV series The Secret World of Alex Mack from the mid 1990s was partially filmed on location, some episodes shown Alex Mack's school to actually be a middle school in Murrieta when the school wasn't in session. The school is located in the California Oaks subdivision, where a failed Christian family-theme park Rogersdale USA was at the same time, and Murrieta became more of a "family-focused" community other than a haven for actors and celebrities. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 02:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The Notable Residents section had a {famous} template, which I have concealed by editors comment. See: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities/US_Guideline#Notable_people for guidelines on who to include in such lists. --S. Rich (talk) 03:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Murrieta made bad news[edit]

Back in March 2004 and again 2005, the USA Today reported on a wave of racial hate crimes in Murrieta. The news report depicted Murrieta as a "lily white" community shown hostility against African-Americans moved to their city. I don't like the way USA Today reported Murrieta, which it's untrue to say everyone in Murrieta are racists. But the city has a serious problem with a number of neo-nazis and hate groups made Murrieta their HQs in belief of Murrieta is a "white American" community. I've been to old town Murrieta, where a large number of Latinos lived, and a Jewish community center (forgot the name, tell me what it is) don't mean the city is "ran by Nazis". I'm told of neo-Nazi gangs live in the hills to the north in Menifee valley, operated several meth labs and involved in some violent crimes with the police/sheriff. Most residents are smart, educated and morally right enough not to buy racist ideologies of their community. + 207.200.116.195 15:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Umm... I don't know what you're talking about... I did a search of Lexis Nexis and there were no USA Today articles remotely like this. Why is this relevant, anyway? Bandislife 06:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I was in The High School Gym when The "Racism" went down. Some black kid was playing basketball when to white fellows came up and tried to play. The black Kid did not like that and started calling the white kids racial slurs. While the white kids called the kid with anti-black racial slurs. Things became heated and the two white kids beat the black kid up. The black Kid asked for it so I doubt it should be called racist. And the fact that the NAACP came too our school and said we are a Racist school is completely wrong. How can you determine a school is racist if you only talk to the victim and his family and stand outside the school for five minutes. Actully the NAACP was there for about 20 minutes. If other minorities feel that Murrieta is Racist, Fine dont move here. Housing prices are too high and there is too many people. Actully Blacks, Asians, Mexicans, Jews, and White people should all get out of Murrieta so i dont have to sit in traffic anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.62.52 (talk)

Very harsh words, and I deleted the expletive and racial slurs. Let's keep the discussion page on topic in improvements and related subjects like news events. Lexis Nexis is not a good internet search engine, you should have tried Google, Bing and Yahoo instead.

Murrieta is diverse, the community emphasized tolerance and respect to all people. Visit the city's public library, the Home Depot and Ralph's supermarket, and you will see a small town atmosphere of civility between a large non-white majority interacting with whites and all others. And I recall the Murrieta Bandits pro soccer games had fans of many ethnicities, nationalities and races of people root for the home team. Mike D 26 (talk) 07:45, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

This section is entirely fabricated... also Lexis Nexis is a fantastic research tool. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.55.7 (talk) 05:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Not Racist you say?.. Protesters in Murrieta block detainees' buses in tense standoff: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-immigrants-murrieta-20140701-story.html#page=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.251.121.54 (talk) 17:31, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Questionable Content[edit]

I am deleting all content that has no factual basis attached to it. If I delete something that you think is true, prove and it and we'll put it back. =) Bandislife 06:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

History Expansion[edit]

I am in the middle of expanding the Murrieta History section. There may be some inaccuracies in the first revision that I posted, and there are no references. I will continue to revise and expand. If you see a mistake, don't hesitate to fix it. Bandislife 16:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Replacing unreferenced material with more unreferenced material isn't really helpful. If you really want to better the history of Murrieta (which it appears you do), adding references will vastly strengthen what you write. Refer to WP:REF if you need help with making references, or ask me. —Brien ClarkTalk 18:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Verifiability clearly states that "[e]ditors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." The material I added is not a quotation and cannot be reasonably expected to be challenged; it is not controversial or disputed by any means of those terms. Nevertheless, I understand that some reference at the very least is desirable, and for that reason I have added references to the City of Murrieta page that icludes this information and to other relevant websites. Bandislife 02:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Murrieta protests in the news – UNDUE[edit]

Various editors are adding news items about immigration protests that took place in Murrieta. I submit that these items are not WP:noteworthy and subject to WP:NOTNEWS. (Moreover, most of the attempts to add have been laden with point of view.) Editors who wish to contribute this information should justify the material and obtain consensus to include it. – S. Rich (talk) 03:39, 20 July 2014 (UTC) I will add the following from the guidance: "News reports. Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of... events. [emphasis added]" The protests occurred in Murrieta, but involved many people from outside of Murrieta. The fact that protests occurred there is not an event of enduring notability or noteworthiness. – S. Rich (talk) 04:17, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

[The following has been C&P'd from my talk page. – S. Rich (talk) 05:18, 20 July 2014 (UTC)]
"Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy (NPOV). Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media."
So all the news outlets that have reported on these events are not reputable? It's a fact that immigration protest took place in Murrieta this summer. It's a fact that the LA Times, NY Times, PE, and major TV news outlets reported these events! CyberChieftain (talk) 05:11, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
The question, in this case, is whether the events are of enduring notability, not whether the source of the information is notable or reliable. I submit that these are not noteworthy events. Instead of persisting in adding the material, you should garner support for inclusion. Part of the problem with what you want is the WP:UNDUE aspect of the material. It looks like you want to "bad-mouth" (for lack of a better term) the fact that protests occurred. This is evidenced by the prior IP edits that you did and by the other IP edits. – S. Rich (talk) 05:40, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @CyberChieftain: When are you going to respond? This thread was opened as a step in the Bold, Revert, Discuss process. Without discussion from you, the article goes back to the consensus version, which does not include the protest story. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 02:15, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

S. Rich So I want to bad mouth the protest, wow! Actually the reason I added the historical information is because I had a feeling Wikipedia editors were injecting their point of view on immigration by suppressing / censoring (for lack of a better term) this important part of Murrieta's history. When people, like yourself who do not live in Murrieta want to find out information about the city, Wikipedia may be the first site they visit. Good, bad, or ugly it is now part of Murrieta's history. As a homeowner in Murrieta, whose children are enrolled in school here, I disagree with your assessment of what a noteworthy event is. The reason my IP address showed up before was because I didn't have an account yet, but come on you should be able to see that. If not, do a simple IP trace or whois lookup on the IPs from the previous post to find out which ISPs own the specific network ranges and what cities each is from, I have FIOS and I'm about 90% sure my DHCP lease has not changed in the last couple months. CyberChieftain (talk) 05:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Note, I am the top editor on this article with 54 edits. Not a huge number, but more than any of the 562 editors & IPs who have contributed. As such, I work to provide an interesting and informative and NPOV encyclopedia article on the city. I live in Riverside County and I watch many of the articles related to the county. In this case, the protests were a flash in the pan. Because of this, many IPs who came on over to describe the events in very negative terms. These events were not part of the city's history, but more of a side show to the immigration situation in this country. So here is the bottom line for Wikipedia – we want information that is of enduring notability/noteworthiness. Describing these events, in a separate section, especially with the adjective "notoriety" is WP:UNDUE. With this in mind, the events have no encyclopedic part of the article. So, thanks for commenting. Let's see what other editors think. If we do not get input, we can post a third opinion request or request for comment. – S. Rich (talk) 05:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)