Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

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mustafa Kemal atatürk[edit]

not Cemal, djemal,

Kemal!

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2014[edit]

[musˈtäfä ceˈmäl ätäˈtyɾc] ---> [musˈtafa keˈmal ataˈtyɾc]

Nevermind past request, i get it, K is written as C, but it might as well be written as K

ɑ is the right letter for a in Mustafa Kemal, there is no ä in turkish ipa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Turkish,_Azerbaijani_and_Turkmen and K is better than C, turkish learners may be confused, because C is pronounced DJ

Ethnic origins of Mustafa Kemal[edit]

There have been several discussions about his ethnic origins. These positions are described in the article. Please take in mind that all these positions have no primary official ottoman documents to rely on. Previously official documents only proved that Ali Riza was his father and Zübeyde his mother. That was it. The rest was speculation. So even when Mustafa kemals was president, he personally set up a private commission to check the archives for a family tree (especially about his father which he lost at young age). It ended without result. The reasons: His hometown Thessaloniki was under greek administration, and generally the ottoman archives were an uncategorized mess (that changed in the 1980ies).

Now, a breakthrough. A hobby-historian and retired imam called Mehmet Ali Öz went into the ottoman state archives and worked there around 12 years (2002-2014). He managed to trace his family tree back to the 16th century. The book that will come out in a few weeks is called: “Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’ün Soy Kütüğü (Osmanlı Arşivi Belgelerine Göre)”. It consists of official ottoman documents. Here you can read the details ((in turkish)) and here the tv-program [1]. To sum up, Mustafa Kemals ancestors are all classical turco-muslim backgrounded people residing in Thessaloniki for several centuries. The family of his mother is called "NAKİBZÂDE" and quite influencial in the area. Also, new documents show at which border positions his father worked as a guard (some interesting places). The book is the only primary source, so "X says he was albanian, Y says he was jewish, Z says he was Yörük" is history. I am saying this because i will change that part soon. And by the way: The picture of the museum in Koczadzik that was put in: That new museum was build in vain. His grandfather is not coming from that village. But its still a nice house. --Zoylab (talk) 20:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Please remove unproven,undecided Informations.[edit]

According to Zubeyde hanım wikipedia page: Atatürk's mother Zubeyde Hanım is the respectful form of Mrs. and was always added after her name. Hacı, in Turkish, refers to those Muslims who have made the pilgrimage to Mecca. Sofular is the plural of Sofu, which means a religious devotee. It is assumed that some important person or persons in Zübeyde Hanım's ancestry had made the pilgrimage to Mecca and that her family had deep religious roots.


And there are lots of information about his mother and father [1][2]


We know Atatürk's mother,father and grandfather,grandmother very clear.


i dont know why wikipedia put that such weak claims. like this


'According to Encyclopaedia Judaica, one assertion that was commonly made by many Jews of Salonika was that Atatürk was of Doenmeh'


this weak claim must be removed. or edited.


thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turkishpat (talkcontribs) 05:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Diarchy[edit]

On 19 Feb., 2011, Axxxion has described the situation in War of Independence years as diarchy According to the relevant article, diarchy is a form of government in which two individuals are joint heads of state. Unless there is an alternative definition, this was not the case in Turkey. I'll call the editor. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:43, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2014[edit]

It should be added to this article that Ataturk was a mass murderer (proved and apologized by the current government in turkey) who murdered thousands of people in Dersim

Corasli (talk) 11:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 15:12, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The massacre is described under Dersim massacre. In particular, the Turkish government really did apologize for it in 2011. In that article, it says that the Turkish President described the massacre as "one of the most tragic events of our near history" saying that, whilst some sought to justify it as a legitimate response to events on the ground, it was in reality "an operation which was planned step by step". Sources are given for many aspects of the genocide. Of particular interest are some citations that appear to implicate Ataturk, but I'll leave that to readers of Turkish. 89.217.14.177 (talk) 23:38, 14 January 2015 (UTC)