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(With my regards to all historians and ordinary readers) From the ancient history it has been known ancient of armenians had come to Near East BC XI century,I mean first time and that time armenian was not as a nation , they were etnics. In this case how come it would take place in Nakhichevan history as BC XV century there was armenaian legendy? (thanks at the begining) Ekber Huseyinly Eli oglu, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.108.3 (talk • contribs) 2005-09-27T16:07:17

This whole entry reads like it has been lifted straight out of a tourism brochure! Needs a radical rewrite, I think. I have added a little bit to clarify the traditional meaning of its name, and corrected the error saying that Ptolemy lived in the 2nd century BCE, and mentioned that there is also an archaeological museum. Dare we say that most of the Iranian "tourists" come for the prostitutes? Meowy 15:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nakhcivan's name isn't originally Armenian, but Persian. Therefore I deleted the section in the parenthesis. And also why to include the coat of arms under Imperial Russia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.143.22 (talk • contribs) 2007-03-12T05:36:14

Since Armenians came from Nairi, could it be that the name is related to Nakhs - since all of the area: Yerevan(Erebuni), Sevan(Ereta)and probably river Aras is named after ancient Ers that are connected to modern Vainakhs and North-East Caucasians in Dagestan - it as well follows migrational path(from Erzurum in Turkey) of these people before arrival to Northern Caucasus. Armenians seems like of the same people, that all are related to ancient Urartu(that was located around Nairi), but indo-europeanized.92.22.24.183 (talk) 21:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IPA

? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.246.182.174 (talk) 11:33, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Names in Armenian language

Names in the Armenian language, and for that matter any other language than English (as this is the English language Wikipedia) and the original spelling in Azerbaijani (the official language in the place) are not called for. A historical connection may be significant however this does not call for a foreign language translation of the cities name to whatever the primary language of that culture of the historical connection is. This additional to the irridentalist implications that it has.--GlobalSecretary (talk) 01:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to direct you to MOS:PN again: "At the start of an article, provide notable equivalent names from other languages" and "many place names have a historical context that should be preserved", and per MOS:QUOTENAME, relevant foreign-language names can be included in parentheses. The rules suggest the addition of the Armenian equivalent is called for. This is not a unique situation, hundreds of Wikipedia articles have foreign-language equivalents, e.g. Szczecin has both German and Swedish language equivalents as a result of the historical connection, despite the lack of both communities, and has no irredentist implications, despite the history of Stettin. As a result of the historical connection Armenian has with Nakhchivan, I will restore the Armenian language equivalent, and, in my opinion, removing it again is simply vandalism. Mugsalot (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As I have suggested earlier MOS:PN does not call for an third language name, it merely suggests that other language names may be included where necessary. This does not mean they must be added. In this case your adding of the Armenian language spelling of the city name is not necessary. Furthermore the irredentist implications of adding it suggest that it probably should be excluded from this article. There are many other cities that have a historical connection to other countries and in the articles for those cities foreign language names of the city are generally not included on Wikipedia for this reason among other reasons. The article for Szczecin contains Romanised and Germanic equivalents of the city in a non-Polish language because it is largely referred to as that in Germanic speaking counties and does not present any direct irredentist implications. Think of the Vltava river which is referred to as the Moldau river Germanic languages. In adding an Armenian alphabet name of Nakhchivan however there are major irridentist implications, even in the article which contains a link to modern day Armenia in the information about the historical political leadership of the city. There is no reason to add the name of the city in the Armenian alphabet. The Armenian spelling/name was initially an addition by you which has been contested yet consistently restored without discussion. It should not be restored unless a consensus to do so is reached here on the talk page.--GlobalSecretary (talk) 15:00, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:PN states "at the start of an article, provide notable equivalent names from other languages" and "many place names have a historical context that should be preserved". The Armenian language has a significant connection to the city and the city's entire history is connected to Armenia. The addition of the Armenian language equivalent is entirely necessary and "irredentist implications" are a complete invention of yours. I have stated the rules to you twice now and you have completely disregarded them as a result of your own personal opinion. You are attempting to whitewash the history of this city by removing the Armenian language equivalent and it is vandalism. Mugsalot (talk) 18:21, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sacrificial monument?

From the description of the Ashbahi-Kahf cave, it is unclear why this section/s title is "sacrificial monument". The cave appears to be a mosque. There is nothing said either about sacrifice or about it being a monument. Either a more appropriate title should be used, or the description should be expended to explain why the cave is a "sacrificial monument".Bill (talk) 21:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Map

This map is quite unclear. Is the region we are speaking about the one with the dot, or the shaded region? I think it's the dot, but then why is the shaded region shaded? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.249.92 (talk) 13:06, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

preamble

On what basis is the name of the city indicated in Armenian in the preamble? Is it possible, following this logic, to add names in the Azerbaijani and Kurdish languages, for example, in an article about the city of Yerevan, on the grounds that not so long ago, by historical standards, Kurds and Turks prevailed in the population? V.N.Ali (talk) 12:37, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I assume because it's a historical Armenian city, whilst Yerevan is deffo not a historical Kurdish or Turkic city. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:07, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. Well then also the Persian name should be added in both articles. If there is no objection, I will do so. V.N.Ali (talk) 10:29, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name in various language, is it necessary to have it on the opening/introductory paragraph?

I don't really understand about the so-called consensus, etc. I tried to remove the Persian, Armenian, and Russian names as they are mentioned on the toponymy section, but it was reverted. It is quite odd as well, but when I tried to do the same with cities/places (like Yerevan) in Armenia, I mean, adding Azerbaijani/Tatar/Turkic version of name, I got reverted as well. I don't know, I have some concern with this and would like to have a discussion with other users. Thank you. Please do not regard this as vandalism to "Armenian content", which is not at all. Mfikriansori (talk) 23:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:OTHER, that's not how Wikipedia operates, please focus on this article. The current wording of the lede was a result of consensus building of editors way before you edited in this article. Also, you should demonstrate notability of the name. Nachichevan was the original name of the town, and was changed not so recently, hence why it's in the lead. And of course, it had consensus for its place, hence why you were asked to gain consensus if you wish to change it. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 00:31, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then Yerevan article should has the same various names in its leading/opening paragraph as well I guess. Mfikriansori (talk) 13:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]