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Veganism[edit]

Napalm Death are listed on vegan bands. I am aware Barney is or has been vegan, but what about the rest of them? --Anonymous

I have infact served them food at a bar before a gig! 2 of the band are apparently vegetarian, the others are apparently not. In interviews, Barney can be noted to be a supporter of Peta and similar projects. I believe he is vegetarian, not vegan. -- elb98rm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elb98rm (talkcontribs) 08:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Missing from discography[edit]

Still missing in the discography: 'Suffer The Children' (CD) and 'Live Corruption' (DVD & VHS), but I don't know the release dates for these. Plus, I don't know if compilations that include Napalm Death tracks should be included in the discography or not. - Nightfall

Are all of the entries in the discography actaully albums, or are some singles (I thought Nazi Punks Fuck Off was just one track for example), in which case the wiki naming convention needs to be observed,ie, for albums, "for singles or single songs". As for including compilations I don't see why not I included single tracks that Crass contirubuted to compilation albums (song title first, then name of album), we want an encyclopedia to be as thorough as possible. Cheers quercus robur

Do these exist?[edit]

Do these two demoes really exist? I found them in articles on http://listen.to/napalmdeath


"From Enslavement..." demo definitely exists, I'm not sure about "Like Sheep...". I've never heard about it... --Sjv27 23:03, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Yes - both of these demos exist... The full set of recordings (until the end of 1986) is:

Pre-Napalm Death

The Mess - 'War' rehearsal tape - 1979 (This is the only recording that exists of this band featuring Rat and Nik)

Undead Hatred - 'The Crap Doesn't Stop Here' tape - March 1981... (This 15 song cassette cassette was recorded in rehearsal. Released as a C30 tape (with cover) by ourselves. The band played one concert in April 1981 with the Human Cabbages, Eating Book and Idol/Eyes. This line-up featured Rat on drums, Daz F on bass and Nik on guitar and vocals)

Napalm Death

Various Artists - 'Chapter 3' compilation tape (2 songs)... (Rehearsal recordings - May 1982. The songs were 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse' and 'The Jamboree'. Released by Jako of 'The Joy of Propaganda' fanzine. The band played one concert in August 1982 with The Fits, Bible of Sins, Corrupt Youth and Hiroshima. This line-up featured Si O on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat on drums and Nik on vocals)

Various Artists - 'Ruptured Gut' compilation tape (2 songs)... (Rehearsal recordings - May 1982. Released on Rat's 'Twisted Tapes' tape label. The compilation also featured people such as APF Brigade, Bible of Sins, Autumn Poison and Verbal Warning. This line-up featured Si O on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Halloween' demo 1 - 1982 (9 songs)... (2-Track tape recordings - September 1982. Released as a C30 tape (with cover) by ourselves. The tape featured songs like 'Rival Factions', 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse', 'Pollution' and 'Napalm'. The band played one concert in October 1982 with Bible of Sins, Corrupt Youth, Lambent Lamella and Society's Victims. This line-up featured Daz F on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

'And, Like Sheep, We Have Gone Astray' demo 2 - 1982 (15 songs)... (2-Track tape recordings - October 1982. Released as a C40 tape (with cover) on 'Obituary Tapes' cassette label run by Mick Slaughter of 'Obituary' fanzine. The tape featured songs like 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse', 'Traditional Society', 'Pollution', 'Rival Factions', 'Call This Aborted?', 'Confined', 'The Room with the Shuttered Window' and 'The Doomsday Cometh'. This line-up featured Daz F on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

Various Artists - 'Twisted Nervous Breakdown' compilation tape (1 song)... (2-Track tape recording - 1982. Released on Rat's 'Twisted Tapes' tape label. The compilation also featured people such as 3rd Party and Psycho Faction. This line-up featured Daz F on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

Various Artists - 'Subversive Elements' compilation tape (2 songs)... (2-Track tape recording - 1982. Released on 'Social Disorder' tape label. The compilation also featured The System, The Sinyx, Subhumans, Cold War, APF Brigade, Organised Chaos, Psycho Faction, The A-Heads and The Xpozez. This line-up featured Daz F on guitar and Robbo on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Kak' demo 3 - 1/4/83 (10 songs)... (2-Track recordings - April 1983. Released as a C60 by ourselves. The songs are 'Curfew', 'The Good Book', 'The Glue Bag Song', 'Traditional Society', 'The Crucifixion of Possessions' (longer version than on the 'Bullshit Detector 3' compilation LP on Crass Records), 'Punk is a Rotting Corpse', 'Blame', '(K)rappers Delight', 'What is My Country?' and 'The Doomsday Cometh'. The band played a number of concerts: April 1983 with Subhumans, Chaos UK, Disorder, Amebix and Antisect, May 1983 with Nobody's Heroes, August 1983 with Verbal Warning and October 1983 with The Apostles and Verbal Warning. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Live at the Union Rowing Club, Nottingham 9/4/83' tape... (A live mixing desk recording of a gig we played with The Subhumans, Antisect, Amebix, Disorder and Chaos UK. Released on 'New Error Tapes' cassette label run by Dig Pearson of 'Dawning of a New Error' fanzine - and later of 'Earache' Records. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik and Spike (from Political Asylum and The Apostles) guested on vocals in parts)

'Unpopular Yawns of Middle Class Warfare' demo 4 - 5/83 (6 songs)... (2-Track recordings - May 1983. Released as a C60 by ourselves. The demo includes 'Systems Scapegoat', 'Blame', 'Screaming Pain Pt 2' and 'Fin's Song', 'The Crucifixion of Possessions' and 'Caught in a Dream' (original version). This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

'The Rise and Fall of Flared Trousers' tape - 1983... (A C60 compilation of songs from demos 3 and 4. Released by ourselves in 1983. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Scared Shitless' tape (11 songs) - 1983... (A compilation featuring 11 songs from demos 3 and 4 and a live side. Released by ourselves in 1983. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

Various Artists - 'Bullshit Detector 3' compilation double album - 1984 (1 song)... (2-Track recording - 1983. The album features a shorter version of 'The Crucifixion of Possessions' from demo 3 as Crass edited out the beginning due to running time issues. Crass originally chose 'The Good Book' as the album track but the band objected due to internal discussion regarding the lyrical content. This line-up featured Robbo on guitar and Fin on bass, Rat and Nik)

'Hatred Surge' demo 5 - 23/10/85 (8 songs)… (8 track recordings - 1985. Released as a C60 cassette tape (with cover) by ourselves. It also included a live recording of a 1985 concert from the Mermaid pub in Birmingham. The band played a number of gigs with this line-up and also as a 3-piece with Nik on bass and vocals. The current versions of the tape that are available on the internet do not feature the original cover. This line-up featured P.Nut on bass and Justin on guitar, Rat and Nik)

'From Enslavement to Obliteration' demo 6 -March 1986... (8 track recordings - 1986. Released as a C60 cassette (with cover) by ourselves. The recording features Nik on bass and vocals, Justin - guitar and Mick - drums)


Hope that helps... Nic Bullen


I think this should be moved to the discography section.

You Suffer lyrics[edit]

Does it really go "You Suffer" at the beginning of it? All I can hear is "But why?".

According to the lyric sheet, yes. But as far as early Napalm Death records go, the vocals don't necessarily follow the actual lyrics all that closely. - Quirk 21:07, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It goes "You-u-bwhy"

If I remember rightly, ND used what's now known as the Scum vocal style, where only one in every four syllables are actually pronounced. I'm unsure if this is true, but it sounds plausable. Raven_1959 12:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the song 'You Suffer', and on the recorded versions (from the 'From Enslavement to Obliteration' demo tape and the first side of the 'Scum' LP) I 'sing' all of the lyrics... The same applies to all of the pieces on those two recordings...

The idea of "only one in every four syllables are actually pronounced" is incorrect (at least in my case)... Nic Bullen

Ohh is this actually Nic? I doubt it. On the subject, it sounds like Lee might do that as when I first heard ND it took me ages to be able to hear when he sings what lyrics/parts. --Xdiabolicalx 20:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Ohh infact it must be Nic --Xdiabolicalx 20:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Style[edit]

I'm going to spend a little time twiddling with this, mostly just..well, 'formalizing' some of the language and grammar. ManicParroT 22:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I guess this project never really got too far because the style is still very fanzine-esque. The actual content seems good so a little tightening up of the prose should go a long way. I've tagged it with {{tone}} if only to remind myself to have a go when I have the time. Soo 00:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Legal question[edit]

I know this sounds rather stupid, but could somone please explain to me how ND can legally exist without any original members? Avador 00:39, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

It's not like the band incorporated back in 1982 or something. —Slicing (talk) 04:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The group can continue under the name Napalm Death as none of the ex-members have any interest in using the name...Nic Bullen

They didn't lose all their former members at the same time. The new members are just as much Napalm Death as the old ones.

Bands evolve, so why shouldn't they use the name? Shane Embury's been in the band since 87. Of course Napalm Death's one of the more extreme cases of lineup changes. Remember how it puzzled me back when I started listening to grind and death.Marxistviking 01:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Disputed Tag[edit]

I added a disputed tag to the Violation of Innocence section. Not sourced and there is no evidence this group exists. Group is on AfD, if it is deleted, this section should be removed.--Isotope23 20:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Lee Dorrian[edit]

The article has him joining in 1987 but I saw him in the lineup several times around 1984 or 1985 when Napalm Death appeared at nights he was promoting at the Hand and Heart in Coventry 195.92.168.176 00:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Lee Dorrian did not join Napalm Death until January 1987... He played his first concert with Napalm Death supporting Antisect at the Hand and Heart in Coventry in January 1987 (he organised the concert)... Napalm Death did not play the Hand and Heart in Coventry in 1984 or 1985: they first played there in 1986... Hope that helps...Nic Bullen

Thanks for that. What I remember is that there was some problem leading to Lee Dorrian standing in on vocals before formally joining and this being the first time I heard urghhhh, bleurghhhh lyrics and suchlike 195.92.168.176 20:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Template at the bottom[edit]

Can somebody make a template thing at the bottom so it lists all the studio releases and other stuff without having to go to a separate page?

copy Template:BoltThrower to Template:Napalm Death and edit it, will do. Spearhead 19:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Bands with no constant members[edit]

Napalm Death has had a stable line up for almost their entire career now. The turbulence in the line up was only during the earliest years and with the exception of the departure of Jesse Pintado, there hasn't been a change in almost fifteen years now. I am therefore removing the "Bands with no constant members" category. Inflammator 03:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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Member timeline[edit]

Can we have a timeline of members like in The Mars Volta? Since there have been a lot of members I thought this would be kind of cool. I already started working on it. Thoughts? = ∫tc 5th Eye 04:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Like this: = ∫tc 5th Eye 04:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, i think we should have one. π₰Å₯ ĬLʡ$Φǚɭђµπt₴ŗ ₯Å₰π 08:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, i copied and pasted onto a template. π₰Å₯ ĬLʡ$Φǚɭђµπt₴ŗ ₯Å₰π 08:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

===The time line thing is great.=== Strangersound (talk) 13:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Additional vocals by Shane?[edit]

Since when has Shane ever contributed any vocals? Are there any references or sources available? I've listened to every Napalm album and never heard a vocal (knowingly) coming from Shane... —Preceding unsigned comment added by HedKase (talkcontribs)

Shane contributed lead vocals to "Cursed To Crawl", on the Greed Killing EP and the Diatribes album.

The second paragraph[edit]

Makes it sound like Grind is metal genre.Inhumer (talk) 07:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

GA/FA[edit]

Any Wiki pros here, do you think this could pass an FA/GA nomination? Dark Executioner (talk) 18:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Popular culture[edit]

Do people really think examples of people wearing ND T-shirts are notable? Particularly when it's a metal band's video (there are probably dozens of these then)? Equally, is it notable to point out they are thanked in SOAD's thanks list? Again, they must be thanked on hundreds of albums. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I can't beleive someone actually added something so irrelevant to the article. This is the first I heard of thanks to a band being included on a band page on wikipedia.JackorKnave (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I'd questio the validity of a lot in that list, looks like Napalm Death are just mentioned in stuff, hardly noteworthy...JackorKnave (talk) 17:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

To Nic Bullen[edit]

Greetings... It is good to see one of the founding members of Napalm Death contributing to this article.

I've read in Albert Mudrian's Choosing Death that you and Justin Broadrick were fans of Noise and Industrial music (Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse) and some post-punk bands sometimes associated with these music styles (Killing Joke, The Swans). Would it be correct to say that Industrial & Noise were part of grindcore's music foundation? Because Wikipedia's grindcore article only talks about hardcore and metal subgenres that influenced it, and not about these two I've mentioned.

Musicaindustrial (talk) 22:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Napalm Death's style[edit]

I'd like to prevent an unecessary edit war; so I'm proposing, to all editors invested in this article, an in-depth discussion about Napalm Death's music style. Why? I currently disagree with "Genre(s)" chronology on the band's Infobox.

  • And what about this deathgrind microgenre? It is, supposedly, death metal played with a short song span. Does this merit the creation of an entirely new subgenre? Plus, it's wikipedia article cites no references and allegedly contains original research.

These are my basic complaints - I'll expand them later, because since last week I'm having a tough time at my job. Musicaindustrial (talk) 11:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm just gonna remove the chronology, as its really unneeded in the infobox.Inhumer (talk) 17:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Grindcore is an advance of Crustcore. Check out groups like Doom. Many people into metal don't understand or know the bounderies of punk. The type of fast sound that evolved Grindcore was developed in punk before it did in metal. That is how thrash metal evolved. taking influence from similar style of hardcore punk sound and adding it to heavy metal. The problem arises when the many metal fans think punk is sex pistols or the ramones and mistake fast aggressive hardcore punk as metal. metal music is supposed to be organised and proffessionally played with guitar breaks and tight timing etc etc. punk is supposed to be amateur styled with guitar blasts and and unproffessional leads. 92.236.213.52 (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Heavy Metal???!![edit]

How the bloody hell is Napalm Death Heavy Metal?

Please this is very inaccurate.

Any one who knews about Napalm Death from the begining knows they come from Crust-core punk(Crust punk from Anarcho Punk).

They state they listened to groups like Venom as youngster the same way Metallica listened to punk but that was just influence as they constantly connected themselves as having a punk origin and not metal.

They did only one album that truly metal. They even invented the term Grindcore to stop naive metal fans thinking they were death metal.

agressive fast hardcore punk came before thrash metal hence thrash coming into existance as a bridge between at the time modern heavy metal (NWOBHM) and at the time modern hardcore punk. From thrash metal came death metal. Crust punk groups like Napalm Death & Doom were singing grunts or growls and making aggressively loud music long before death metal became a recognise genre.

Please correct Napalm Death being a Heavy Metal groups as this is very much a lie. Technically they fall into punk with metal influences the same way the more technical sounding Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, Nuclear Assault etc who play structured rythms and complicated leads etc as seen in Heavy Metal fall into metal with punk influence - thrash.

During a documentary from the late 80's or early 90's title "Thrashed to Death" which was BBC production on extreme musics and featured Slayer & Napalm Death. Tom Araya in the interview commented how Reign in Blood was the ultimate metal album pushed to the bounderies of metal. So many songs in so many minutes played at such a speed with so many leads breaks etc. He himself said anything more than this would be just noise and falls into the bounderies of punk. Naplam Death during the interview commented on punk and how metal evolved thrash from influence from punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 (talk) 07:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


Jesus Christ... ignore this whole section --Lordnecronus (talk) 00:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Why does it matter? 82.13.31.158 (talk) 14:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)Simon

its 13 albums not 14[edit]

napalm death has only came out with 13 albums (Seth4000 (talk) 14:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)) Seth4000

extreme metal?[edit]

How are Napalm Death metal when their roots are firmly with hardcore punk. When they first came out as Napalm Death (not even pre-Napalm Death) they featured on Hardcore Punk compilation albums alongside groups like Extreme Noise Terror, Doom, Dr & the Crippens and Intense Degree. British Radio One DJ John Peel also used to promote them under Hardcore Punk. Grindcore is not a metal genre but has it roots in punk. They are more punk than they are metal. It should read if anything Napalm Death are an extreme Punk band with major metal influences.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 (talk) 07:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Late response, yes, but I only saw the previous comment today. God... another person going on about how grindcore cannot be a form of metal, that it must only be punk... bullshit. Total, absolute bullshit. Grindcore is (as a basic description) a fusion of death metal and hardcore punk. Just because it ends with 'core' doesn't mean it's not metal. Grindcore is not 'more punk than metal'; it equally qualifies as both. I wish people would get that in their heads for once... --Lordnecronus (talk) 19:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I concur with Lordnecronis. Lee Dorrian, in an old BBC documentary, stated that the members all detested metal until they heard Slayer and Metallica. Bill Steer went on to say that it was a large influence on ND's future sound. Later interviews with the same members (mostly from the book Choosing Death) bore this out; they were getting tired of the scenesters yelling out "Faster! Faster!" at all of their gigs, so they branched out on their Mentally Murdered EP to involve death metal influences. 76.235.171.97 (talk) 09:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Fucking OLD[edit]

"their work together will be released on Feto Records at the end of 2007." unsigned comment


This is actually a very good point. Not that I'm gonna do anything about it, mind you. --Lordnecronus (talk) 00:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)