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Comments[edit]

This article, Nassau, should be Nassau, Bahamas.

Nassau (state) should be Nassau as it is the oldest origin of all Nassau references, with a link to Nassau (disambiguation).

No, policy says it should be the most commonly used name - so Nassau, Bahamas should get this name. Guettarda 21:09, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thats not NPOV. It may be common where you are, if I say "Nassau" where I am, 100% of the people (about 15 000 000) will think of the House of Orange-Nassau, not of Nassau, Bahamas. If I say the same in Germany, even more people will think of Nassau (state) first. 217.121.144.89 21:08, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Policy says that most common use of the name in English should get the name, or, if you have some conflict about what the most commonly used name is, then you make it the disambiguation page. The overwhelming majority of links to Nassau are for Nassau, Bahamas. And 15 million isn't that much. Even on the German Wikipedia it's a disambiguation page. Guettarda 13:19, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I reverted this back to a redirect to Nassau, Bahamas. I think that article should eventually be moved here. If you still disagree, let me know and I will list this page at RfC.
From Wikipedia:Naming convention: Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. Guettarda 21:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Requested move 2005[edit]

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The capital city of present-day independent nation should get primary topic disambiguation; nothing on the disambiguation page (currently, Nassau) comes close. The related move NassauNassau (disambiguation) would also be necessary. –Hajor 01:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

This discussion is really not necessary. Even if the current Nassau was moved to Nassau (disambiguation), no one would ever type such a search. Already based on technicalities, "Nassau" would ultimately have to lead to "Nassau (disambiguation)". Gryffindor 13:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
  • Propose and support. –Hajor 01:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I oppose this move. I do not believe that Nassau, Bahamas predominates over either Hesse-Nassau or Nassau County, New York, much less both of them, for most English-speakers. Leave the dab where it is. Septentrionalis 01:18, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support - it most definitely does predominate over the other uses in English. Guettarda 02:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose, Nassau is best as a disambig page, as it is now. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 08:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Nassau, Bahamas is further down the list when I personally think of "Nassau". Support current disambig. Olessi 19:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Sorry no offence but this is utterly unnecessary. When I hear "Nassau" I certainly don't think of Bahamas first. It would be like renaming Paris, Texas → Paris. Gryffindor 01:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support It's the capital of the Bahamas. --Revolución (talk) 04:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support what Revolución said. No Account 17:09, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The Duchy of Nassau would be my first association with the name. Eugene van der Pijll 23:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
    • It doesn't matter what your first "association" with the name would be. Nassau is the capital of the Bahamas and thus has more importance than any province, county, duchy, or whatever. --Revolución (talk) 00:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
      • It matters what a majority of people expect to see on the page. I'm just one data point. I disagree that the capital city of any country is more important than any historical state. When many people disagree on which subject is the most important, the best idea is to have a disambiguation page here. If I was the only one opposing, my opinion would, indeed, not matter. Eugene van der Pijll 16:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
I completely agree with User:Eugene van der Pijll. To rename this into Nassau is america-centric thinking. So what if it's the capital, there are plenty of other "Nassau" to oppose this move. Gryffindor 18:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support Nassau is the capital of the independent state and as such it's more important than the other uses.  Grue  11:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose the disambig page is perfect as it is - renaming would be America-centric as well as a-historic. And as there are different opinons, a disambig page is a very good way to get around without having to decide what "the real Nassau" is, aka NPOV. --Reinhard 16:21, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually to rename this would not be America-centric, but Anglo-centric (Anglo meaning in this sense English language). Nassau to most English speakers would mean the capital of the Bahamas, and this is English Wiki after all, not German or Dutch Wiki. Note: this is not a view to support move. Mark
  • Oppose. AFAIC, both the Bahama and German-related articles are roughly equal in significance and hence neither should get primary topic designation. olderwiser 17:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. – Axman () 05:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Leave as is. Mark 11:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. Even German Wikipedia doesn't prioritise German Nassau - it's a disambig page. And Nassau/Bahamas' prominence in English is enough to prioritise it. Rd232 talk 14:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

One comment: from the discussion above (and perhaps Guettarda can confirm) the Bahamian capital appears to have been here at Nassau in the not-so-distant past.

And one query: Septentrionalis brings up both Hesse-Nassau or Nassau County, New York. According to our article naming policies, neither of those would be eligible for the coveted undisambiguated Nassau; at the most, they might get a redirect, like San Francisco redirects to San Francisco, California. The query is something that occurred to me in the recent discussion over moving Windsor to Windsor, Berkshire, and it goes something like this: "In deciding primary topic disambiguation, does the fact that an article's natural location, per naming conventions, would place it at the undisambigged location give it any degree of precedence over rivals that, per conventions, would not normally get that location?" –Hajor 01:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Nassau, Bahamas was at Nassau for a long time - and anon moved it, saying that the German state of Nassau (historical state) was older, so should have the dominant name. I changed it to a redirect back to the the Bahamian capital. Someone later changed it to a dab page. Guettarda 02:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Is this all in one request then, along with the old september entry for switching Nassau and Nassau (disambiguation)? Ryan Norton T | @ | C 03:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Note that the page Nassau, Bahamas was moved to Nassau using a cut&paste move. Regardless of whether the move is justified by the vote above, the page should only be moved by the proper procedure (which can only be done by an admin). I've reverted three pages to the version before this move (Nassau, Bahamas, Nassau, and Nassau (disambiguation)). I believe this has corrected the situation. Edits after October 14 to any of these pages have been lost, unfortunately. Eugene van der Pijll 23:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
  • This is ridiculous. I just looked at what German town are you talking about and it has the population of (drum roll) 5000! To suggest it has the same importance as the capital of the independent nation is extreme POV. This is as stupid as Georgia (country) not being at Georgia.  Grue  06:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
    • You're right, the German town isn't all that important. It is the historical state of Nassau that has at least the same importance as Nassau, Bahamas. Eugene van der Pijll 11:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes but I don't quite understand your point then. I totally agree with you that the country of Georgia should be named "Georgia", while the U.S. state should be renamed into something different. But then you want the Bahamas Nassau, which is actually named after the dynasty or a person from there, who in turn are named after the county/duchy, which in turn is named after the castle and the original town in Germany, to have precedence over all the other ones? Sorry, that just makes no sense, based on what criterias are you making your point? Gryffindor 09:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Based on the importance to the world as a whole. How anything is named is irrelevant. Dollar is named after some obscure German coin as well, but it is much more important.  Grue  10:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
      • Based on the importance in the world? That's completely a POV, Wikipedia should try to remain neutral. ps: btw, the dollar comes from Taler, which was anything but "obscure". Gryffindor 23:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

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Revert[edit]

Anyone else notice how this article shrank insanely? Pilotguy I think needs to explain his reverting here... I can see that the article pre revert could be considered an advert/not notable, but I want to hear it from Pilotguy on what was wrong with the article so maybe we can fix it. Galactor213 16:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


From comparing PilotGuy's version with the previous version, it looks to me like he removed a lot of content he considered commercial. Lots of it does read like advertising copy. However, some of that info could certainly be rewritten so that it doesn't have that bias. Karen Joslin 13:08, 31 August 2006

"The city has a population of 365,9284 (2005 census), nearly 70 percent of the entire population of the Bahamas (303,611). " This math doesn't work out right on my calculator.

A picture of the central portion of the Atlantis resort is NOT representative of the Nassau skyline. Nassau has a beautiful skyline without lying and cheating. The old Colonial Hilton is spectacular. Atlantis is on the old island called Goat Island until the developers ruined it and renamed it. And don't ever forget, The Bahamas are NOT in the Caribbean!

"The" Bahamas[edit]

Should the title read "Nassau, The Bahamas"? The The Bahamas page is titled "The Bahamas" and the CIA World Factbook titles its page "Bahamas, The" I think the "the" is part of the name. What does anyone else think? link title

That is correct. The official name of the country is "The Commonwealth of The Bahamas", aka "Islands of The Bahamas", "The Bahama Islands", (note, no "s" on Bahama in this use) or "The Bahamas". Use of the term "Bahamas" without the "The" is actually incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.75.121.18 (talk) 19:53, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Also, the picture is actually of Paradise Island, not New Providence which is the location of Nassau. Although connected to Nassau by a bridge, Paradise Island is a separate island and the image should probably be of Nassau or New Providence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.75.121.18 (talk) 19:56, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Also, I am going to make a revision of the last sentence in the opening paragraph. --Gree6021 05:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

New Providence links to New Jersey, not New Providence Island in the Bahamas[edit]

You might want to fix that. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.14.248.62 (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Travel Info[edit]

Here are a few tips for those traveling to Nassau Bahamas. Nassau has the most unbelievably beautiful ocean I have ever seen. First of all if your not rich stay away from Paradise Island when it comes to eating or sleeping. I suggest Orange Hill Beach Inn, it's out of the way of the Americanized area of Paradise Island. Pick one of the many hotels on Nassau. Be sure to eat at the fish fry under the bridge connecting Paradise Island and Nassau. There are many little stands that sell food, don't be afraid to try the food, it's great. Also be sure to go to Twin Brothers restaurant and have a daiquiri, there the best. The people of the Bahamas are extremely nice, talk to them. If you need help with something or need info ask them but be sure to say hello before asking for something. On the weekends the locals hang out on the beech in Nassau,not paradise island, and party: Join in.If you like to gamble but know your not going to win then try one of the two casinos. One of which is in Atlantis, on Paradise Island, and the other smaller casino on the main island of Nassau. Remember in the Bahamas they don't have the gaming and gambling laws that most industrialised countries have. Just like any where else there are people you should be wary of. Be cautious of the taxis you get into and the people your exchanging money with. The people of the Bahamas work hard and need your money to survive. The straw market is a good example of this. If you can't handle people trying to get you to buy something then don't go in, it can be very frustrating. Most of the things in the markets are the same at each vendor and some are not authentic items of the Bahamas so be sure you know what your buying. Bargain, bargain, bargain, don't take the first offer from the markets or from taxis. Don't get into a taxi unless you already set a price for your destination. If your not in a hurry take the bus system. The fairly quick contractors of the public transportation will save you lots of money. They charge a dollar to anywhere, but run on routes. (If your going to Orange Hill Beach Inn it may be a bit more). Find the guy's renting jet ski's and para-sailing and do it, it's awesome. Do anything with Stuarts Cove [http://67.199.62.226/index.aspx]. Let me suggest snorkeling with sharks, trust me it's safe and unforgettable. Last but not least take the Fast Ferry for a day trip to Harbour Island and rent a golf cart and explore this true paradise. When your at the beach in Harbour Island give your eyes a second to adjust as you realize the sand is pink. Harbour Island has the most extraordinary sand. I've been to my share of relaxing beach destinations and so far Nassau Bahamas is the top of the cake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.243.48 (talkcontribs) 04:22, 16 September 2008

Please read WP:NOT#CHAT and WP:NOTADVERTISING: "Bear in mind that talk pages exist for the purpose of discussing how to improve articles; they are not mere general discussion pages about the subject of the article". "Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so." Afv2006 (talk) 08:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Demographics[edit]

I came to this page to find out the demographics of Nassau, but found very little. In particular, what is the percentage breakdown between the white and black populations? Anybody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.43.30 (talk) 16:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Square Kilometers[edit]

I know there is no local government, but how large is the federal district of New Providence in square kilometers of which the city would be municipaly coterminus with? --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

History[edit]

"Lord Dunmore governed the colony from 1787 to 1796 and oversaw the construction of Fort Charlotte in Nassau.

Ardastra Gardens, Zoo and Conservation Centre was opened in 1982 and was the first zoo in The Bahamas. It had previously been a botanical garden since 1937."

Is there really no history between 1796 and 1982?

(Will Hambling 20:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Will.hambling (talkcontribs)

Copied content?[edit]

The contents of the paragraph titled "Over-The-Hill" is basically identical to the article Bain town - Its early history by Gail Saunders, The Nassau Guardian, May 05, 2005. It was added here on this edit (omitting the last few lines of the original for unknown reason). I suppose this may be considered a breach of copyrights and should be checked carefully. Amnon s (talk) 12:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Skyline photo[edit]

I think the photo of the skyline is a bit misleading as it's just a picture of the Atlantis Resort, which is actually across the bay on Paradise Island. I will be there next month and try to get a better picture of the city from the bay looking in toward Bay Street.199.76.171.153 (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I also feel that the Atlantis Resort photo is inappropriate for use as the lead image for this article, which clearly states that Nassau lies on the island of New Providence. The Atlantis Resort lies not on the island of New Providence, but on Paradise Island. The two islands are distinctly separate, linked only by an elevated roadway which spans the harbor between the two. Nassau was a vibrant city long before Atlantis showed up. A photo of the downtown area and/or the buildings therein would be a better lead image. - TampAGS (talk) 10:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Official link doesn't work[edit]

The Official link is broken. LOL-117 (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't know what the problem is. Let's give it a day or two to see if the problem is fixed. -- Donald Albury 21:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The infobox[edit]

The infobox on this page is just appearing as text at the top of the page. I'm new so I don't feel qualified trying to fix it myself. Ialangford (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2014[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Page not moved: no consensus for this move Ground Zero | t 12:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)



– Obvious primary topic. There is nothing of note on the disambiguation page that is anything but a partial title match except for the historic German city/duchy/area (population: 5,209; pageviews: 529 a month; historical impact: minimal - stats for the duchy are not much different) or the capital of the Bahamas (population: 248,948; pageviews: 28,476 a month; historical impact: highly significant). I daresay that if a capital city in a country full of white people had a quarter of a million people and was far more commonly referred to in academic sources (as compared to just about anything else), it would get primary topic over a smaller if very historic area in an island country. But the Bahamian city currently doesn't, and I'm forced to wonder why. Let's fix this problem of WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, Wikipedia. Over 2,000 people a month are delayed from finding out information by getting to this disambiguation page instead of the page that both common sense and pageview statistics tell us that they want. Red Slash 18:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Support. Would be constructive to see page views from all the other articles on the disambig page, but I'm confident this is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Zarcadia (talk) 03:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Support - Seems to be the primary topic. IJA (talk) 11:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. "Nassau rhineland" is a bizarre search string that suggests you don't know what you're doing. The original Nassau, and its dynasty, are quite important in European history. I could possibly be convinced to support this move, but not by what the nominator presents. Srnec (talk) 12:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Do you have a better suggestion? Red Slash 00:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Better suggestion for what? Srnec (talk) 00:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
        • What to search for? Red Slash 03:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment @Srnec - The article about the very small town of 5,000 people "Nassau, Rhineland-Palatinate" will not be affected by this move, nor will the articles "Duchy of Nassau" and "House of Nassau". When one simply talks about "Nassau", it is most often about the city in the Bahamas. As a historian, I've never come across someone refer to the Dynasty or the Duchy as just "Nassau"; when one talks about the Duchy and Dynasty, one would use the full name "Duchy of Nassau" and "House of Nassau". When one talks about "Nassau" on its own, in the vast majority of cases it is referring to the capital city of the Bahamas. "Nassau" on its own is the primary topic for the capital of the Bahamas. IJA (talk) 13:14, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Comment. There are lots of things named Nassau. A county in New York, a city in the Bahamas, a town in the Rhineland, a US Navy ship, a Dutch ruling dynasty, a medieval and early modern German state, and all the famous people called "of Nassau". Does the Bahamian city predominate over all of these? Maybe on the internet. But I suspect there only. Srnec (talk) 00:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Everything you just named besides the cities (and possibly the state) would be a partial title match. Red Slash 03:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Support I agree the the modern capital city is the primary meaning for "Nassau", and that it does not need "Bahamas" added to know what we are talking about. --MelanieN (talk) 00:13, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose per Smec, the House of Nassau is prominent, and historical antecedant namesake to the New England locations. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 06:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. The issue here is the primary meaning of the word "Nassua", not what titles it is contained in when other words are added. bd2412 T 14:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Clearly everyone knows that Nassau is the primary topic and not the city in the Bahamas. In any case, this proposal claims a primary topic without really showing that it is the primary topic when compared to all of the other Nassaus. The partial title match is nothing but a red herring since most of the topics ignored by this claim are better know only as Nassau. In fact, this claim rules out Nassau, Bahamas from consideration as the primary topic. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Is this meant as sarcasm? The county?? Red Slash 13:51, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment @ Vegaswikian - The County in New York is called "Nassau County" not "Nassau". IJA (talk) 18:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
    • The common name is Nassau. Thinking that everything listed on the dab page is by common name is patently false. As a result any arguments based on that are simply void. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:02, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
@ User:Vegaswikian - Have you any evidence that that the county's common name is soley "Nassau" on its own and not "Nassau County"? Because on google books I get 108 results for "Nassau New York" and 805,000 for "Nassau County". IJA (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Yea, we can do the digging. Books tend to be formal. When people in NYC say they are going to Nassau, they generally mean the county. They don't say Nassau County. In fact if you take a survey you will find this through out the US. Do you say you are going to San Fransisco or San Fransisco County? Vegaswikian (talk) 17:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose. Nassau County has been viewed 12000 times last month and has a much larger population. If it was just that in opposition, I'd agree with the move (or at least changing the redirect), but the historic house of Europe seems relevant as well. I will say that I'm in favor of rigging the current Nassau Disambiguation page to have the most important & frequent usages on top rather than forcing users to browse through the 'directory', so Nassau, Bahamas; Nassau County; & the House of Nassau should be the first 3 links, followed by everything else. SnowFire (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment @ User:SnowFire - Your examples for opposition are all null and void per Partial Title Match. None of the examples you have given, go soley by the name "Nassau" unlike the capital city of the Bahamas. IJA (talk) 10:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • This was already discussed above. I don't find the argument convincing. Specifically, PTM is about entries that don't deserve to be on a disambiguation page despite partially matching the title, e.g. specific Zoos at Zoo (disambiguation). Are you seriously claiming that you think Nassau County / House of Nassau / etc. should all be removed from the disambiguation page (wherever it ends up)? If not, then PTM is irrelevant, since you agree they're all entities a reader who typed "Nassau" might be interested in... SnowFire (talk) 14:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
      • But anyone who looks for (say) the county would type in Nassau County. Most people looking for the big city called "Nassau" would indeed search for it through Nassau. Red Slash 13:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - There is no clear primary topic right now. For historical significance, "Nassau" is German and has always been, and House of Nassau has been historically significant. For popularity, Bahamas? New York? Currently, no one realizes German connections and ancestry to "Nassau", and were Germans in Bahamas? --George Ho (talk) 16:37, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose Definitely no clear primary topic, and if anything I would say it was the German region based on historical significance. It's silly to claim systemic bias when we're talking about a high-income North American country that's a popular tourist destination, and when there's no evidence for anything of the sort. —innotata 01:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The German state and royal houses are just as significant historically. They would certainly be my first thought if the name Nassau was mentioned. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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