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Likely involvement in assasination of Malcolm X
Manning Marable's "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention" is widely considered the most authoritative and full biography of Malcolm's life. In it Marable documents, as an academic historian, through various sources, that the Nation of Islam was deeply involved and ultimately responsible gor Malcolms assassination. While many details are unclear due to the FBI still keeping many files confidential it is known that all of the purpetrators were NOI and that the leadership had actively spoken of the need to kill Malcolm. There were also previously documented attempts on his life and documented cases of murder of other NOI members. The NOI had a history of severe internal control and violence. This should appear in the article perhaps under a seperate heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:24, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- Agree. The fact that one could read the History of the Nation of Islam page and not be aware that all of the people convicted of the assassination were NOI bothers me an awful lot. To most people, the NOI's involvement in Malcom X's life is the part of the NOI's history that is most important, yet the Wikipedia articles on the topic all but ignore that aspect of the NOI's history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 17:17, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Comparison with Traditional Islam needs Revision
In the section Comparison with Traditional Islam of the Nation of Islam page, you say that NOI differs from Traditional Islam based on five points, all of which are false. Here's why
1. "Belief in one God (Allah)" NOI believe that there is only One God (Allah), and he came (to the blacks in America) in the person of Master Fard Muhammad. This is different from your statement that "NOI believes Wallace Fard was Allah". The difference is in the wording, it is misleading, obviously NOI don't believe that Wallace Fard is responsible for the creation of Heaven and Earth. It is imperative that you include "in the person of", otherwise the statement is false and it should not be listed as fact.
2. "Prayer: Traditional Muslims believe that the five daily prayers (salat) are mandatory, the NOI believes that they are not." This is simply untrue, the sources you have listed are not factual sources. Elijah Muhammad told his followers in his book titled "Muslim Daily Prayers" that the MINIMUM 5 daily prayers are mandatory and "necessary for spiritual advancement". If you need proof you can order the book from the NOI website, or I will gladly photocopy the proof and send them to you.
3. "Fasting in the Islamic month of Ramadhan". NOI Muslims do indeed fast along with all other Muslims during the holy month of Ramadhan. The only option is mainly meant for new converts who have the option to fast during the month of December instead due to the shorter days and to get them away from celebrating Christmas. You may believe that this is unacceptable but the Quran says that out of Allah's mercy, a sick person or a traveler was instructed to fast a number of days equal to those he missed during Ramadan. NOI interpret being sick or on a journey as both physical and spiritual, thus a person on a spiritual journey to become a Muslim who is not yet strong enough (sick) can fast during December instead. All in all, NOI indeed practice Ramadhan, period. Therefore your statement that "NOI holds that this is optional" is absolutely false.
4. "Compulsory Charity (zakaat)" The NOI do indeed practice charity. Not only by contributing monetary funds to benefit the community, but by contributing time to go into troubled communities and try to stifle drug addiction, gangs, and other ills.
5. "Pilgrimage (Hajj)" You stated that the "NOI holds that this is optional". This is again simply untrue. The NOI believe like every other Muslim that Hajj is mandatory at least once in a life time, Insha'Allah.
As you can see, this entire section is false and this is why it needs to be changed. If you are still not convinced then I would be happy to prove it to you. Thank you for listening, RashidanScholar127 (talk) 16:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
L Ron Hubbard, Scientology, Dianetics and The Nation Of Islam
Since 2010, Minister Louis Farrakhan has controversially taken to teaching Dianetics after being audited extensively by Scientology Reverend Alfreddie Johnson(a personal friend of Farrakhan). He is now teaching Hubbard as being one of his heroes and some Scientology doctrines. You can search "Farrakhan Scientology" on youtube and you will see sermons where he has taken to teaching the doctrines of L Ron Hubbard. Currently they are establishing a "Nation Of Islam Dianetics Center" in Chicago, and the Nation of Islam leadership are now ALL required to be schooled in Dianetics. I believe this warrants the addition of a "Nation Of Islam's relationship with Scientology/Dianetics" section, along with the article's potential inclusion into the Scientology portal. Perhaps a paragraph bringing either the history section, or the Controversy section(where it would also fit), up to date to include this drift to Scientology would be enough. Colliric (talk) 17:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3tLkFuw_Zk For anyone wondering what the heck I'm talking about... Colliric (talk) 17:45, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- I think it is one thing to mention the NOI using the technique of Dianetics. But to speculate that the NOI is joining with Scientology is just irresponsible. For instance, Farrakhan is often seen in the company of Christian and Jewish leaders, he sometimes quotes them in his speeches, so does that mean the NOI is converting to Christianity or Judaism? Besides, I think this information is already mentioned either on the NOI page or Farrakhan's page. Pretty much, all that is known and verified is already on wikipedia. So I disagree with your notion to include this information. RashidanScholar127 (talk) 23:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Embracement is word
But may have sounded awkward in that location. However this use of "embrace" repeatedly and unusually also makes for awkward prose and stilted reading, let's use some synonyms for the encyclopedia rather than sounding like a campaign. --(AfadsBad (talk) 18:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC))
Position on abortion
The last two sentence in the first paragraph on NOI beliefs states, "Abortions are strongly discouraged except in the cases where the mother's life is in danger. However, the Nation of Islam argues that because of the unique experience of the oppression and degradation of slavery, Elijah Muhammad used unique methods for introducing Islam to his people."
I'm confused. Is the last sentence about abortion? I don't see the connection and there's no footnote to clarify it. What does the "however" signify?