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Wouldn't it be better to link to the industry (Bollywood, Kollywood, Tollywood, etc) instead of the language for each movie? The language could, if needed, be included along with the movie name.

Not really. What is there is fine. GDibyendu (talk) 16:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Sobhan Babu[edit]

This article is specifically about the list of "National Film Award for Best Actor". What Sobhan Babu received was the "award for the best classical film hero", see here. In 1970, there was only one actor who received the award for "Best actor", he was Utpal Dutt. Hence I revert your edits. Salih (talk) 18:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Youngest Winner[edit]

The article states Dhanush (27) as the youngest winner. Check this which states Mithun Chakraborty was born in 1950. He won a national award in 1977 (film was released in 1976). If so he must be the youngest winner. --Commander (Ping Me) 07:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination[edit]

National Film Award for Best Actor[edit]

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Removal of an image[edit]

@Vensatry: I repeat my rationale here. The three actors viz., Kamal Haasan, Mammootty, and Amitabh Bachchan are the only actors who won the award thrice, that's what is significant as far as the award is concerned. Leaving out Mammootty's image by invoking arbitrary criteria like most successful actor after 2000, won on debut film, etc. are not in good spirit. No harm done in having another image. If you want to remove the image, cite some policy based reasons. Thanks. Salih (talk) 17:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I never said including an extra image to be a bad idea. Besides, the fact is very well mentioned in the lead, and I see no point in including an extra image to justify this fact one again pitorially in a list that is already filled with enough images. The Kamal and Amitabh images expresses something other than the three-time win. FYI, Amitabh winning the award twice post 2000 was a DYK fact, and doesn't seem like an arbitrary criteria. When you want to make meaningful changes, it's wise to start the discussion first, gain consensus and proceed, not the other way around as you did now. Vensatry (Ping) 17:30, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Actors winning awards for their debut films are definitely noteworthy; not for someone who wins their first award after acting in 150+ films over a span of 10 years. You're welcome to add the image of Mammooty, but with a reasonable caption (reliably-sourced) other than the three-time win. Vensatry (Ping) 17:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand why you are so adamant in removing the image. The article is not cluttered with the images right now. Winning three times is more noteworthy than anything else. So, please wait for a third opinion before you revert. Thanks. Salih (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
I think we both are violated, may be inadvertently, the 3RR rule. We should be careful:) Salih (talk) 17:45, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think I was adamant. Someone might want to add two-time winners' image too. Given the way, the images are clearly going to dominate the page. Also you shouldn't forget this one; at least two users are disagreeing with you. Perhaps, it's you who should wait till the discussion gets over. Vensatry (Ping) 17:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
If somebody wants to add two-time winners (there are many I suppose), we can tell them that three-time winners are more noteworthy than two-time winners and adding all the two-time winners might clutter the article with images. So far nobody has tried such a thing, so you don't have to worry. Only you are disagreeing with me, Bill william compton did not revert me because he understood my rationale.Salih (talk) 18:09, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
I know these lists are prone to POV pushing and soon we shall expect more images of other actors too. Going by your intention to insert the image, I can very well say that you're a fan of the actor and a POV pusher too. How do you say that Bill william compton has understood your rationale; in one of his reverts he says "Haasan is here because he is the first actor to win the award thrice and Bachchan is the most one successful since 2000; this is a featured list, so discuss changes before making them". You should stop making reverts and discuss first. Vensatry (Ping) 05:52, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
What to do if there are users like you who are so adamant to insert more images? Vensatry (Ping) 06:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
To know whether I am pushing POV in inserting the actor's image, check the history of the article on Mammootty too see my contribution. At present you are the only person opposing to include the image. Please refrain from making wild and baseless allegations. Bill william compton did not revert my final edit on 14 September 2013 after he understood the logic in my edit summary and the image was very well there before you came on 4 November 2013 and deleted with a vague edit summary. You say that I am not ready to discuss. Is this not a discussion? Salih (talk) 06:57, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Salih, you say that I sound like claiming ownership of the article. I clearly know that nobody owns any of the stuff over here, but I've worked a lot and copy-edited each and every single line of this list. According to you last November was the best version, but if you check the talk page, the list passed FLC on 19 September 2013, which must be the best version without any doubt; after the announcement of 60th National Film Awards. At the time, there were only three images—Kamal, Mithun and Amitabh. I think you were the one who first added Mammooty's image, which was reverted by Compton and me. You say that Compton has agreed to your edit. Can you show where he has explicitly stated that? seems he is not highly active now. You should first discuss, gain consensus and only then add the image. It's really unfair to see an experienced editor behaving like this. Vensatry (Ping) 02:10, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I feel it is ok to have Mammooty's image. The article is not image-heavy as of now. If someone wants to ad the image of any other actor with two awards, we can say that we have only images of actors winning the award three times, and one winner at debut.--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:17, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────As I said earlier, I'm personally not against adding any image. If you look at the caption of Kamal and Amitabh, it's conveys something that is very different from the actors winning the award three times. Likewise, something for Mammooty would be more appreciated, rather than the usual fact which everybody in the film world knows. I've suggested this idea once before to Salih. Instead of doing that he keeps adding the same caption just for the sake of having the image. Vensatry (Ping) 02:28, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Vensatry, it's not for the sake of adding the image, he has won it three times. That is the maximum number and is most significant achievement. First time winner, won on debut film, after 2000, etc. are minor (I would say trivial) compare to the maximum number of wins. If you find image caption troubling, modify it suitably. That's it. Also, the article is not image heavy as pointed out by Dwaipayanc. Salih (talk) 04:44, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
That's okay! isn't the same fact well-mentioned in the lead? Although there is no strict guideline on image caption, if you look at some of the FLC pages, I've come across many reviewers commenting about what image to include, what caption to use? etc., I completely lost my interest and don't think I'll touch this anymore. Anyone can do whatever they want. Vensatry (Ping) 06:22, 21 January 2014 (UTC)