Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in eastern Chester County, Pennsylvania

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Chester County NRHP[edit]

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(begin copied discussion) With 308 listings, the Chester County list is clearly a split candidate; it's been too big for a long time, but now with Smallbones adding lots of pictures, loading the page is becoming a very very long task. Can you imagine any good way to split it? I've never been to the area, so I'm not aware if there are any good ways to split the county geographically. Nyttend (talk) 00:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I too would like to see the page split, just for ease of editing. However, defining a split (simple enough, though arbitrary), and actually splitting the page are two different things. I wouldn't know how to do the actual split without a ton of work.
File:Map of Chester County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png One arbitrary split into southern and northern CC would include the following townships and all townships south of them: West Fallowfield, Highland, East Fallowfield, West Bradford, East Bradford, and Westtown. There are 20+ townships in the southern part and about 25 in the northern part, but I'd guess the southern part would have at least 40% of the NRHP sites. The south is also culturally different - rural and, if possible, more Quaker. Smallbones (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure this has come up before. Personally, I'd loosely follow the railroad tracks, roughly the line between Coatesville and South Coatesville. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 03:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks - I was trying to find that and could not. I am not very familiar with Chester County, so a north south split seems fine, but I am not sure of the exact dividing line. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
PS As for splitting it, I think I would copy the existing article to two sandboxes, then just remove the entries that did not belong in each. Still a lot of work. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
I'll try as above - no guarantee that I'll finish it! Smallbones (talk) 03:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I remember bringing this up before, but we never did anything about it...Just one question — would a three-way or four-way split be a bad idea? Is there any good north-south dividing line? Would it be possible to use the Brandywine River as a dividing line? I can't find your railroad line either on Google Maps or on my Pennsylvania Atlas and Gazetteer, so I'm slightly confused as to what you mean. I'm well aware of the difficulty; I split the city of Miami out of National Register of Historic Places listings in Miami-Dade County, Florida just this evening. Nyttend (talk) 03:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Which Brandywine, East or West? It splits in Chester County. The railroad I'm thinking of is the modern Amtrak line and (as you near Philadelphia) the SEPTA R5. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 04:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The railroad (Pennsylvania Main Line, Amtrak) follows W to E Parkesburg, Coatsville, Downingtown (so far matches my division) but then splits townships going to Paoli. 3 or 4 divisions? Maybe if the northern part is too big split the northeast off including West Chester (big), and the Goshens, Valley Forge aka Treddyffin (not so big as you'd think) up to Phoenixville and might have to include Westtown too since it's easy to mix up with West Chester. Maybe 40%, 40%, 20%.

But I've done my first pass on eliminating the South from the Northern list see:User:Smallbones/NorthCC and later I'll get to User:Smallbones/SouthCC

Smallbones (talk) 04:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

North looks ok with 187 (not numbered yet) - that would make 121 in the south (61%, 39%). If I moved West Chester and the Goshens it would be 166, 142 or 54%, 46%. Are those still too big? Smallbones (talk) 04:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
On the North - one entry was missing coords and my number (189) doesn't match with Bing's 188. recheck and the South in the AM. Smallbones (talk) 05:29, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Hm, I seem to have asked more than one question above :-) My atlas shows a stream that I thought to be the only branch of the Brandywine (going generally southeast through the county), and as I couldn't see names for any tributaries (except a few that clearly had different names) I thought that there was only one Brandywine...as I said, I've never been to the area. I'll have to see if I can find a map showing the Pennsylvania Main Line. Nyttend (talk) 06:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The PennDOT county maps show creeks and railroads - see here. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:54, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

That's a heck of a good map. (where can I find other PennDOT maps?) Division into north and south seems to check out (numbers of sites and landmarks) (189 sites N, 119 S). North could be subdivided further (call the divisions East and Northwest) probably about 90 sites in each. Culturally it makes sense East (suburban-rural), North ("railroad rural"), and south (rural-rural). East townships could be the Whitelands, the Goshens, West Chester, Willistown, Malvern, Easttown, and Tredyffin. Charlestown, Schuylkil, Phoenixville (from the North), and Westtown and Thornbury (2 sites now in the South) could be included or excluded to get a very even division. Let me know if I should let well enough alone. And please do check User:Smallbones/NorthCC and User:Smallbones/SouthCC for mistakes. Smallbones (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I have links to all the PennDOT maps (they also have historic versions of these online) at User:Ruhrfisch/Resources. The direct link for the directory page is here. The east and northwest split sounds fine to me. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with the splitting process! The Chester County list page is now a directory, similar to National Register of Historic Places listings in Pennsylvania and National Register of Historic Places listings in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And thanks for letting us discuss it here, rather than making us move to an article talk page :-) Nyttend (talk) 03:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

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Hi, i see this discussion (which was held at Ruhrfisch's talk page in 2009) was where the Chester County list-article split was decided, which is fine. Please see the current Requested Move discussion, at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Northern Chester County, Pennsylvania#Requested move, about renaming the 3 resulting list-articles. --doncram 15:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Map[edit]

Map of Chester County Pennsylvania NRHP sites.PNG

Here is a map for defining these better. I would make it easier to get to the overall directory page and to each of the other two pages from the top of each page. So Northern would have a link to the overall county page and to Eastern and Southern. Also noticed that the state page needs to be updated now. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Northern Chester County, Pennsylvania which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 03:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)