Talk:Nations of Nineteen Eighty-Four

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New Merger[edit]

This article is the product of a merger of the Oceania, Eastasia and Eurasia articles. As this is my first merging, feel free to take a crack at cleaning it up a little if you think I did a lousy job, or suggesting areas to improve; I'm not 100% sure I did it right... Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Map[edit]

I don't think that the map included in this article is very accurate, I can't imagine Eastasia including parts of the former-Soviet Union since it was stated that Eastasia was formed a decade after Eurasia and Oceania. I'm going to upload a new map which I believe more accurately reflects Orwell's intended borders-TashkentFox 11:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

It seems accurate to me, if you take into account the decades of war between the emergence of the super-states and the "present day" of the novel, the sparce population of the regions of the former USSR under Eastasian control and the general dissatisfaction and dissaffection the central Asian states felt for the USSR. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I wonder, has anyone ever hired military and economic strategists to figure out what would happen if the US, USSR and JAPAN all went to war again in 1949? What would the most likely outcome of the war be, such that the geopolitical map is an accurate depiction of the world as imagined by Orwell in 1984? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.98.194 (talk) 06:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

merge[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result was merge into Nations of Nineteen Eighty-Four. -- HermXIV (talk) 00:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I have suggested that Airstrip One be merged into this article as the Airstrip One article doesn't appear to be notable enough on its own for an independent Wikipedia article. -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:10, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this merger. Airstrip One doesn't need its own article any more than Oceania, Eastasia and Eurasia did. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Agree.--Utinomen (talk) 21:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


Oceania, 'Tis for Thee[edit]

Just a note:

Strong and peaceful, wise and brave

fighting the fight for the whole world to save

we the people will ceaselessly strive

to keep our great revolution alive!

unfurl the banners, look at the screen

never before has such glory be seen

Oceania, Oceania, Oceania

'tis for thee

Every deed, every thought,

'tis for thee

Every deed, every thought,

'tis for thee![1]Gesalbte (talk) 05:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

 :-) Cool book.Wipsenade (talk) 17:02, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Eastasia[edit]

Based on Orwell's description, Eastasia controls South East Asia (Thailand, Burma, Indochina) but probably not countries to the west (Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia etc). Is there some reason this wasn't changed to meet Orwell's info? After all, he did write the book, and was probably using Goldstein as a way to communicate what the world of 1984 looked like. Is the reason SE Asia not included due to it being in the supposed boundaries of the Disputed Territories? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.42.46 (talk) 20:14, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Airstrip One[edit]

Orwell thought of the name 'Airstrip One' for Britain because during the Second World War Britain had effectively become one gigantic airbase sending out thousands of bombers day and night - it had become one vast airstrip. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.68.219 (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Evidence that England is the only totalitarian state?[edit]

That off this island, the world is normal, basically like our world today, but England has become closed off, and all information about the outside world (the superstates, the war, etc) is fabricated to its population?

-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.155.176 (talk) 00:07, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think there is any evidence of that to be found in 1984, however since you do bring up an interesting thought, I'll ask you back: What if all upheaval, war and famine in the world are orchestrated and coordinated events? What if there is a vastly expanded realm of thought you are systematically kept ignorant of? What do you know, that did not come to you by the way of something your government approved of, be it the wires of the internet coming into your house or any book or magazine you may have read? You yourself may well be yet another unaware prole of a wider Oceania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.184.26.187 (talk) 03:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)