Talk:Natural trumpet

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Brandenburg No. 2[edit]

The author of this article suggests that "some believe that [brandenburg number 2] may have actually been intended for a natural horn playing an octave lower in pitch". This is the use of weasel words. Who are these people? What are their credentials? What is their proof? This needs to be reworded, or at least a citation needed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.65.131.202 (talkcontribs)

Point well taken -- I have "de-weaseled" the reference by removing it. From what I have gathered on early music boards, this assertion (horn rather than trumpet) is spurious and based not on manuscript but on a subsequent (post-1750) part copy that reads Tromba o vero Corno da Caccia. This may have been to allow for the very real possibility that at that late date in the Baroque, there might not be a trumpeter capable of handling the part (not to mention unavailability of an instrument in F -- you can crook DOWN, but not UP). While there have been a few (very few) recordings of the concerto utilizing horn instead of trumpet, the practice has no real justification.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.235.66.117 (talkcontribs)

Flat signs[edit]

I've noticed several edits relating to flat signs recently. Please note that Wikipedia manual of style states: "Use either Unicode flat (♭, ♭) and sharp (♯, ♯) symbols or the words flat and sharp. Do not use b (the lowercase letter b) for flat or # (the number sign) for sharp, these are semantically incorrect." [1]--Dbolton 20:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I made use of the music template in this article to address display issues with Unicode sharps and flats in Internet Explorer, as provisioned by the current Wikipedia:Manual of Style (music). See Template:Music for details. --Dbolton 17:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Reference to Brahms and the natural trumpet[edit]

A previous edit claimed that Brahms in his four symphonies wrote for the natural trumpet. While it might be a justifiable statement that his trumpet writing is 'suggestive' of the earlier instrument in its harmonic simplicity, it is a fact that the valved trumpet in F was the standard orchestral instrument in the second half of the 19th century, only giving way to the Bb trumpet (and cornet) in the last decade or two. There are many references to this fact in various histories of the trumpet--Philip Bate and Edward Tarr, for example.

You can see an original valved F trumpet by going here: http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/ujt/ujt2494.html. This is an English instrument, but the Continental models were identical.Cbrodersen (talk) 18:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)