|WikiProject Philosophy||(Rated Start-class)|
- 1 "Other Countries" policies are inaccurate
- 2 Naturalization is mentioned
- 3 Naturalization outside United States?
- 4 Citizenship in US
- 5 Forced Naturalization?
- 6 Traditional nationality
- 7 Finland?
- 8 Declaration of intention =
- 9 United States
- 10 The term is not really used outside the US much.
- 11 There needs to be a heads up disaggregation. 'Naturalization' has Five Different Meanings in the OED
- 12 OK the biological version is there, but with an 's' not a 'z'
"Other Countries" policies are inaccurate
The one I notice clearly is Swiss naturalisation time period. I know, as I am trying to work on obtaining Swiss Citizenship, that it is not continuous residence. I believe it is the same for Canadians (residence 3 out of 4 years). I will edit Swiss but can someone please confirm the rest. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Naturalization is mentioned
Naturalization is mentioned in the Constitution proper. Congress is given the power to prescribe a uniform rule of naturalization, which was administered by state courts. There was some confusion about which courts could naturalize; the final ruling was that it could be done by any "court of record having common-law jurisdiction and a clerk (prothonotary) and seal."
The Constitution also mentions "natural born citizen". The first naturalization Act (drafted by Thomas Jefferson) used the phrases "natural born" and "native born" interchangeably. To be "naturalized" therefore means to become as if "natural born".
Note added to include the UK spelling Naturalisation. Does anyone know how to create a redirect page for that spelling to Naturalization? MPF 19:03, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
The matter of racial non-neutrality of naturalization could use some clarification. The law, while indeed quite bad and racist, was never quite as simple as "non-whites not naturalized." The meaning of "white", in fact, shifted quite a bit. And laws like the Chinese Exclusion Act were designed specifically to refine (in a xenophobic way) the criteria for naturalization.
Probably not all of this should be in the Naturalization article itself, but some pointers and citations would be useful.
--Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 17:44, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
In the section on the Naturalization Act of 1798, there is a mention that "It specifically targeted Irish and French immigrants who were involved in Republican politics." In what sense are we talking about republican politics? This can't be the Republican party as they weren't organized until the mid-1800s. Is this concerning republican as a political theory and in which case, the word should be lowercase anyways?
- The Jeffersonian "Anti-Federalist" party was known as the Republican Party, then the Democratic Republican Party, then the Democratic Party. Yes, it is confusing. Maybe "anti-federalist" would be a clearer reference.Pi9 18:30, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Naturalization outside United States?
The article as it stands refers only to naturalization in the United States. Who can write a history of naturalization in other countries? For starters, try to provide paragraphs (or longer, if available) information about naturalization in the UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Israel — these countries have either had or have noticeable immigrant population.
C'mon, give it a try! Many thanks in advance.
— Diamantina 03:35, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Citizenship in US
Here is a link which may help to clarify citizenship in the USA upon ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment:
Apparently there are some countries that force a foreigner to take the (native) partner's nationality (=force naturalization) upon marriage - Some information should be added on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
nationality is this sense: "Nationality is traditionally based either on jus soli ("right of the territory") or on jus sanguinis ("right of blood"), although it now usually mixes both." is a relatively new concept, as until fairly recently the state one lived in was not fixed in that way, it had much more to do with who was the sovereign of the territory and the recognition that the soverign gave to the subject. -- PBS (talk) 09:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
It seems strange to me that Finland is mentioned by itself instead of under "other countries", considering it barely has more coverage than some of the countries listed there, and what little Finnish info there is to be found also is unsourced. I'll change it, feel free to comment here if anyone disagrees. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 11:30, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Declaration of intention =
The enabling legislation for the naturalization aspects of the Fourteenth Amendment was the Naturalization Act of 1870, which allowed naturalization of "aliens of African nativity and to persons of African descent", but is silent about other races.
- That isn't true, the Constitution does need enabling legislation. The 14th doesn't give specifics on how naturalization works, that's what laws are for.Neosiber (talk) 22:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Why do entries for other countries specify the requirements of that country to become a naturalized citizen, while the entry for the United States provides no information on the requirements AT ALL, and instead only provides the history of naturalization laws in the United States in this section...???
Do people seeking to become legal citizens need to pass any kind of test regarding American History or Culture...? Do they need to be able to speak English and pass a test showing any degree of proficiency...? Do they have to reside in the country for any period of time...??? Are they allowed to maintain dual citizenship...?
Why are none of the requirements for attaining citizenship in the United States mentioned in the article at all...???
I thought the entry for the United Kingdom was very interesting and very thorough in its explanation of residency requirements, as well as for several other countries... then I came to the US section and found the history lesson boring as hell, and totally useless for anyone coming to the page seeking residency requirements, as there isn't a single one even hinted at.
Could someone please rectify this...? If one would like to leave the "History of Naturalization Laws in the United States" in place, then title it appropriately, please. But please provide the relevant information regarding what the requirements for Naturalization are for the United States as this section indicates, rather than a history lesson in its place instead. Gmeades (talk) 14:30, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
The term is not really used outside the US much.
- Naturalisation is a widely used term. I can't see how you can say it's US-centric and even if it was, what alternative do you suggest? — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 20:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
There needs to be a heads up disaggregation. 'Naturalization' has Five Different Meanings in the OED
1) As here 2) to introduce a non-indigenous species to a country that then becomes wild 3) to become accustomed to 4) to cause to appear natural (this is important concept in philosophy btw) 5) to study as natural history. Of these, 1, 2, and 4 are still current. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 08:52, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
OK the biological version is there, but with an 's' not a 'z'
mea culpa, a bit. However, this is the same word, and either usage can equally be spelled with 'z' or 's', and the main philosophical usage is, I would argue, not about citizenship, but 'cause to appear natural' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 09:48, 17 October 2014 (UTC)