Talk:Navajo weaving

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March 4, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that Navajo rugs (pictured) sold for $50 in gold as early as 1850?

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Comments[edit]

A public domain color photograph of Navajo Rug would improve this article.-Doktor Faustus 1 June 2007

I own several rugs -- I'll add this to my "to do" soon list. WBardwin 05:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One has been added from the commons. - PKM (talk) 08:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MERGE with Navajo people[edit]

This is pretty silly---85% of this is taken from Navajo people. Nominate to MERGE immediately. --Dylanfly 19:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's been expanded now with more outside citations. Durova^Charge! 20:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List moved from article[edit]

I've found considerable differences in terminology among different references on this topic. The eye dazzler style is widely known as such, but many of the others here aren't mentioned in the sources at my disposal. Moving this here for possible verification and expansion. Durova^Charge! 06:11, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Styles[edit]

There are many styles of rugs.

Chief
Crystal
Eye Dazzler - covered
Ganado Red
Klagetoh
Non Regional
Pictorial
Raised Outline
Storm Pattern
Teec Nos Pos
Two Greyhills
Wide Ruins
Yei Be Chei

Prices[edit]

The article mentions high prices in 1850 and high prices currently, so I set down to some arithmetic. Doing math is sometimes considered a violation of WP:NOR and in this case I can sort of see why, but it sheds some light on the topic and detailing it here should spare the next person. According to the link in the article [1] current rugs sell around $300-$1000. According to [2] the mid-1800's US used a bimetallic standard gold = 22.5 grains/$, silver=371 grains/$. Using 0.065 grams/grain and 1 troy ounce = 31.1034768 grams I work out $50 US = either $243.37 (in silver) or $1957.58 (in gold). The substantial difference can be traced back to the Crime of 1873.

The bottom line: calculating exact inflation over centuries is a job requiring experts, and you'd need a source to claim that $50 in the 1800's meant any particular amount of modern money. But in a very crude, subjective sense it appears that the cost of a Navajo rug is roughly the same as it's ever been. 70.15.116.59 (talk) 19:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Principle image[edit]

The principle image seems a bit blurred to me. Perhaps it's just my monitor or graphic cards, or the prescription in my contact lenses, but a burnt umber and black weave needs to be shown with really strong unsharp masks. Primary colors always seem to have a bit of their complements surrounding them, and this makes the lines appear blurred even when they're not. Utgard Loki (talk) 15:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll switch that around. The Library of Congress archives had a good vintage image of a family by a weaving loom, and although the restoration work might not be very visible I actually spent about five days on that print. Durova^Charge! 20:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citation tags[edit]

I've removed some requests for citations regarding material that is in fact referenced. It is not necessary to have an inline citation for every sentence of a paragraph, when multiple successive statements are verified through the same source cited at the end of the paragraph. Nor is it customary to provide inline citations in the introduction for material that is adequately referenced in greater detail in the article body. Durova^Charge! 22:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
The writing, as far as I can tell, is very good
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Here's where the problem is. Even though not every sentence needs a reference, I like to see every paragraph end with a source. So, just put a ref where the "Citation necessary" tag is, and that should fix it.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Amazing amount of information found for this
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Most everything is very good, but I really can't pass it with that citation necessary tag. All it needs is a reference there, and it will pass. Until then, I've put the article On-hold. Thank you for your hard work in improving this article, and good luck in improving it to GA status. Juliancolton ^{The storm still blows...} 14:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll work on that. Durova^Charge! 14:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, good. And again, other than that on issue, this is a very good article. Juliancolton ^{The storm still blows...} 14:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At this point the article is completely sourced. Geoff Plourde (talk) 18:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

All of the issues have been addressed, and thus, it passes GA. Juliancolton ^{The storm still blows...} 00:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very similar to Turkish rugs[edit]

Those Navajo rug patterns are very similar to Turkish (especially Turkmen/Yoruk) rug/carpet patterns. (Täñritäg (talk) 12:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

That's due to the influence of traders in the late 19th century and 20th century who encouraged weavers to incorporate Turkish and Southwest Asia designs in their their rugs. -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Proposing name change to Navajo weaving[edit]

Since this article discusses blankets, serapes, and mantas as well as rugs, Navajo weaving seems like a more accurate title. -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

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