Talk:Nepalese royal massacre
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- 1 So
- 2 Conspiracy theory section's final sentences
- 3 More conspiracy theories
- 4 how is this article not referenced to Mr. Tul Bahadur Shrechan
- 5 Cantsayit's comments
- 6 188.8.131.52's comment
- 7 This article is an embarrassment to Wikipedia and the Nepalese people
- 8 Orchestration by the Chinese Government
paras was not present in the royal family's get together and he didn't misbehave with any of the guest so the 2nd line is not satisfactory the site has no proof to say that dipendra killed his whole family maybe it is true but being a public site you cannot blame it on him without been proven guilty.
Conspiracy theory section's final sentences
Everywhere there is Controversy. But the Royal Family of Birendra was killed by Paras and his father. If Gyanendra and his family were safe and all other possible candidate for the throne were dead, then even a lay man can say that it was a tricky mind of Gyanendra to kill his elder brother and his family.
maybe someone killed them but without proof a respectable site like yours should not paste lines that blame on a person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
More conspiracy theories
In the first week of May 2006, Maoist chairman Prachanda along with another senior leader Dr. Baburam Bhattarai  entered Nepal through Birgunj after presiding over a Maoist meet in Punjab, India. We don't don't where the Maoists were hiding during the insurgency. Suddenly they appeared in Brjung, which is on the border with India. Then we can rationally assumed they were hiding in India. You can find millon other evidences they were operating from India. Subsequently, the chairman of Nepal Maoists Party in a public gathering also stated that the massacre was planned by India. Then we can simply say that Maoist has something to do with the Massacre. Let me present my view. Maoist ultimately wished the end the Kingship and establish a republic. I can doubt this was going to happen till King Birendra was alive. People loved him more than they love anything. Sometime controversial but forever loved by people. In order to fulfill thier dream they also need to damage the image of King so people would not object them to King's reign.
They planned a wholesale massacre of the 1st line of the Royal family. But they didn't want harm anyone other member the royal family. This strategy was good and it's implementation excellent. First they killed all and spread the news the crown prince was still alive but severely injured. He is then declared King. Three days later news spread Dipendra is dead and Gyanendra is crowned the King. What a masterclass. Now people start believing Gyanendra was involved in this. I strictly beleive Gyanendra was in no position to led a coup-de-tat. If he was in that position he would have tried it long before when Birendra's popularity was rapidly fading.
This is simply a coup-de-tat led by the Maoist against the King. Gyanendra was only used as a scapegoat. This can simply be constructed by the fact Gyanendra was not holding the power but it was vested in Prime Minister GP Koirala. He did his best to cover up the investigation and ask people to believe Dipendra first killed nine person and later himself shoot himself his back by automatic machine gun. He made one of the absurb story but this story was the reason people started distrusting the King. The best part was to crown dead crown prince king and later declare him dead. Then they declared Gyanendra The King. Gyanendra never claimed himself King, but was appointed by Prime Minister and his aide.
People will believe it or not but Maoist were long before cooperating with Girija Prasad Koirala. First with necessary funds to bring down democratically elected Goverment of Krishna Prasad Bhattarai. Why on earth Koirala should bring goverment lead by his own party? Simply because Maoist needed him firstly from blocking the army being involved in the insurgency which would prove fatal cause Maoist were few in numbers at that time and secondly to infiltrate the royal security.
The relation between GP Koirala and King Birendra were never warm. Koirala’s self-damaging remark in 1990 at a mass meeting had demonstrated his uncompromising stance on ideologies and perhaps an utter lack of diplomatic skills and political maturity at that time. He had uttered then: “All denominations of communist parties and a criminal gang of the royal family are the same.” I fear Koirala was over-ambitious for his own bad. Yet another daunting challenge before Koirala was to read what is inside the mind of Prachanda, the ambitious president of the CPN-M. At least now it's clear he clearly failed. He didn't even dreamt what Maoist achieved in 2008 election and was beaten by huge margin. GP Koirala secretely dreamt of being the supreme ruler not reporting even king. He was partly sucessful as the King was removed but he could never be elected a leader.
Communist Party of Nepal (Unified Marxist–Leninist) followed only one principal of Lenin.Indirect evidence shows that the order to execute the royal family was given verbally by Lenin and Sverdlov. In Nepal case order was verbally given by Puspa Kamal Dahal, Baburam Bhattrai, Kiran Baidhya and Girija Prasad Koirala. One notable difference is that Lenin gave the orders after assuming power but here it was done before that.
Maoist leader were staying in India during thier hiding. They also recieved substantial money and weapon from India. So it will great act of foolishness to think India was uninvolved in this matter as it was providing safe sanctuary for the criminals most wanted in Nepal.
The events can be summed up as following.
Part 1 GP Koirala is selected Prime Minister. He then infiltrates the royal palace security. On the night 3 impostor(hired by Maoist) of Crown Prince Dipendra enter the Narayanhiti Palace and kill King Birendra and his family. They injure Gyanendra's wife Komal but it was a mistake due to chaos. Later they leave the palace so eye-witness who saw them believe he was alive.
Then GP Koirala announce Crown Prince Dipendra as the King who is already dead. Then after three days Dipendra dies. Reports are spreading in world media that RWA and CIA suspect Gyanendra of the killing. This greatly helped the killers motive to damage reputation of a prospective King. And then appoint Gyanendra as King.
Wikipedia is not a soapbox. It is not the point of Wikipedia to state conspiracy theories or other fringe opinions as a fact, let alone without references. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
how is this article not referenced to Mr. Tul Bahadur Shrechan
Mr. Tul Bahadur Shrechan had in 2009 called on the reports claimed that he along with other individuals had ploted for the event way back in 1975. Why.... is there no reference or metion of this in the article...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binaya.shrestha (talk • contribs) 15:04, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
One hour later, Paras returned to the party armed with an H&K MP5 and an M16 and fired a single shot into the ceiling before turning the gun on his uncle, King Birendra. Seconds later, Paras shot one of his aunts. He then shot his uncle Dhirendra in the chest at point-blank range when he tried to stop Paras..
During the attack, Dipendra darted in and out of the room firing shots each time.
- Something's confusing here... First this article is saying Paras drank heavily and then was doing the shooting, then it says Dipendra was firing shots. Wasn't it supposed to be Dipendra who did the killings?
The Victims of the massacre section is weird, also pretty hilarious Victims of the massacre
Many royal armies working inside and outside the Palace.These armies were not only the national army but also the innocent sons of our own citizens. Wounded Princess Shova, King Birendra's sister(the shooter didn't kill this alien in full consciousness.)The massacre was scary. This decision not to shoot this alien can't be taken in any drunken or drugged state of mind. Gorakh Shamsher, Princess Shruti's husband(the shooter didn't kill this alien in full consciousness.) Princess Komal, Prince (now former King) Gyanendra's wife and former Queen( the one who didnt shoot Shova and Shamsher will not shoot Komal, this decision of mind is not possible in any state of drunken or drugged mind.) (Princess) Ketaki Chester, King Birendra's cousin who had renounced her title( the name that is and was never heard during royal celebrations and news is appearing after the incident took place and this person is not affected at all in this scary massacre .) [[Paras, Crown Prince of Nepal|Prince Paras]He was not wounded .He is the son of the King and the future King so he has a full practice on these kinds of small things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:13, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
This article is an embarrassment to Wikipedia and the Nepalese people
A magic fairy did it, not Dipendra. Just ask the Nepali ultra-royalists who edit this ridiculous joke of an article.
It reads like a poorly-photocopied conspiracy tract somebody handed out on a Kathmandu street corner, and presents the Nepali people as ignorant 3rd world serfs who believe in the divine infallibility of monarchs. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
- Please care to elaborate on the "ridiculous joke of an article" thing. And which part of the text makes it read like a "poorly-photocopied conspiracy tract". Please specify. Don't write texts on talk pages that read like conspiracy theories themselves. Shirsakbc (talk) 13:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Orchestration by the Chinese Government
The reference to the orchestration of this event by the Chinese government was added anonymously today by someone using the congress IP range. It references an article from rediff.com. I don't know if this is a credible news source. Any thoughts? It's a serious accusation to make without a credible source. Tenthrow (talk) 18:00, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
- Rediff.com should be considered reliable. According to Alexa, it's ranked as the 20th most visited website in India, so we're not talking about some obscure fringe site. JohnValeron's stated reasoning for removal of the statement was that it didn't specifically mention Unified Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist). However, the article did specifically mention Maoist rebels, and in Nepal that is who sources are generally referring to when they mention Maoists. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 15:45, 4 August 2014 (UTC)