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Inappropriate tone[edit]

The article has several passages without a neutral tone, i.e., opinions without evidence to support them. For e.g.:

  • the trend of admissions after CEE in the admissions section
  • Campus recruitment section
  • Graduate studies after NSIT section

Please see Neutral Point of View sach1tb 03:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


The tone of this article is not encyclopedic. Some of the passages read like an advertisement. If you have facts to support such claims please cite them with credible sources. Also, http://www.nsitlounge.in/bb used to cite some claims is a forum. It can hardly be counted as a credible source. Please replace this with a proper link sach1tb 15:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)



The only other credible source would be the college prospectus, which is copyrighted and cant be published here and also is not available in digital form.

* Campus recruitment section

Dataquest survey link has been added for campus recruitment section for which you had added a fact tag which shows NSIT in top 10 colleges and 5th in placements. Official college link is already there for recruitments from recruiters whose names are mentioned.

Also please explain why a citation was needed about the campus description (145 acres) , the move appears to have some hidden purpose behind it ?

http://www.nsitlounge.in/bb

NSITLounge forum is officially recognised by college(add a fact tag here) and funding for it is released by the college although students have been funding it themselves , no malafide intent is spotted in the particular discussions linked.

* the trend of admissions after CEE in the admissions section

CEE admission list for this year will be uploaded when it comes out in August 2007 to support admissions claim and cut-offs will be posted from college (for which you will add another citation needed tag). For this we will post a photograph of the CEE lists so you have no further problems.

Your concerns have been noted, but your adding fact tag to campus description, seriously undermines your credibility and intention in editing these articles.

--Hmachine1 09:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

OK! try thinking of it in this way: There are some facts that can be used to self-promote. When editing wikipedia, I refer to featured articles, and everywhere I have seen, it appears that campus area, rankings, and other such figures are supported by credible publications; a college prospectus, as you've mentioned, is a credible source. A forum chat is not. In order to cite a source you do not have to have copyrights of that publication. Simply mention it and cite it without a link--like you would do for any research paper.
Another thing I would like to mention here is the tone of this article. It sounds more like an essay, especially the sections for after graduate studies and placements. Either put them in a formal tone or remove them. Please read some featured articles to understand what I am trying to say here.
And yes, please discuss (and mutually agree) on this page before you remove any tags that have been put on the article. It undermines its quality.
sach1tb 12:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree to some of your concerns, the achievements of the college have been used in an advertising sense. I assure you that we will work together to address concerns. But i assure you also, such government colleges of India need little self promotion as all admissions are merit based, so there is no sense in targeting students, most don't get in anyway. But thats not NPOV :P. Currently i am busy in some research. In May end i will rewrite the article and make sure it sounds more encyclopaedic and less of an advertisement.

Please also if possible list specific phrases which you find objectionable in the current article here, lets rephrase them together instead of having a conflict.

--Hmachine1 13:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Here are some of the suggestions for areas where the article could possibly use a rewrite:
Campus- a)the passage (Upon entering the NSIT environs...) has an informal tone. b) Also, rephrase the sentence (buildings themselves are very well maintained and are a hallmark of architectural beauty..)
Admissions- again, rephrase passages such as "The CEE is for candidates passing from" to "Candidates who have passed from high schools are eligible for..." (subject first, passive voice, see Manual of Style)
Academics- minor formatting, lists not bulleted properly
Campus recruitment & Graduate studies- Can you merge these into one section and rephrase it so that it looks more informative than simply paragraphs in essay style. Also I would suggest that you mention one or two companies, or simply say top companies in engineering sector, than listing them here. Same goes with Graduate/Professional schools.
Societies- bulleted list would be better
Festivals- Bullets missing
Generally, footnotes look better as references, so, change those if you like. Also, a section for alumni would be appropriate.
In the end, if you put a 'cleanup', or 'unreferenced' tag on the page it doesn't make it look bad. It simply attracts attention of other wikipedians, who, like you, may know more about the topic and would be happy to edit it. As you said, it is a team effort. Putting back either of these tags will help this article get in shape faster.
sach1tb 15:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate content for wikipedia removed[edit]

I have removed / edited various parts of the article. Below are the reasons:

The campus itself is spread over 145 acres and is quite spacious.[1]Upon entering the NSIT environs, one is treated to a brilliant display of the well designed institute structures surrounded by lush green, well-maintained lawns.

This is plainly opinionated and non-factual language. The only fact and objective statement here is 145 acres. Exactly how much is 'quite spacious'? See Wikipedia policy on peacock terms and Weasel words if you disagree.

The Campus boasts of a spacious parking, ample space and facilities for various sports activities like basketball, football, table tennis, volleyball and cricket, as well as hostel accommodation facilities for both boys and girls. The institute buildings themselves are very well maintained and are a hallmark of architectural beauty. The classrooms and labs are well equipped with the latest laboratory equipment and teaching aids.

Removed because this is not a campus guide or an advertisement for NSIT. This is NOT neutral. Is it written by someone at NSIT or associated with NSIT? This goes against one of the three content policies: neutral point of view. Also please see what wikipedia is not.

More than 1,00,000 students compete in CEE for a total of 500 seats in NSIT making the admissions fierce and competitive.

'making the admissions fierce and competitive' removed because these terms and add no factual information. The statement that 1,00,000 (comma in number does not follow English language standard [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Scientific_style | Manual_of_Style#Scientific_style}}) applicants sit for 500 places illustrates the competitiveness. Superfluous weasel words such as fierce are not needed.

In the recent past it has been a trend that most CEE toppers prefer to join Netaji Subhas Institute of Technology over Delhi College of Engineering.

This statement is dubious and needs verification.


These are purely merit based exams and only the best in India are able to secure admission to this prestigious institution.

Removed because of more peacock words: 'this prestigious institution'. If your aim is to show the difficulty of entrance into this school it be an idea to present some factual data, rather than biased opinions.

NSIT has extensive partnerships with industry which translate into excellent job opportunities for its passouts.

Wikipedia is not a soapbox to advertise NSIT. Wikipedia policy on advertising. But I have no problem with the survey results being mentionted here because it is verifiable information from a third party source.

Graduate Studies after NSIT

A size able portion of NSIT students have pursued graduate and doctoral studies in some of the best universities of the world like Stanford University, University of Cambridge, UC Berkeley, MIT, UIUC, Columbia University, University of Texas, Georgia Institute of Technology, University of Michigan, University of Pennsylvania, University of Waterloo, Vanderbilt University to name just a few. 2007 Admits can be seen Here

A career in management is another popular option and NSIT has been sending a regular stream of students to top management schools in India like the Indian Institutes of Managements (IIMs), Indian School of Business (ISB), FMS (Delhi), IITs and XLRI (Jamshedpur), as well as top international B-schools like the Chicago GSB, Kellogg, UPenn-Wharton, NYU-Stern, Columbia Business School, Stanford etc.[citation needed] 2007 B School Admits can be seen Here

Removed entire graduate studies after NSIT section. How is it notable and encyclopedic that graduates from NSIT go on to many universities around the world? This is the case for just about any university you can name. Present some specific, notable graduates rather than mentioning a host of universities loosely. i.e. Wikipedia is not for writing guidebook about university. Please keep to historical significance, achievements and and impact of the institute.


cite needed for Moksha

Bakashi10 17:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Campus Recruitment I[edit]

I agree with Skywalker on the removal of campus recruitment. I don't see how this section is notable. It reads like a campus guide or an advertisement. The statement that a whole host of companies are recruiting from the campus could be said about any university.
Bakashi10 10:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Campus Recruitment II[edit]

@Bakashi - Your assumption that top multinational corporations hire from every college is frivolous, earlier also you had stated all colleges send alumni to Stanford, UC Berkeley etc, again frivolous. Earlier also your edits were suspect in my opinion and so are your edits on other topics, if you remove all peacock terms, why do you add peacock tags after removing them ?

Anyway campus recruitment is a very important part of this college's activities. You may see http://nsit.ac.in/placement/placement.html, the college has a dedicated placements cell for on-campus recruitments. You may not be well aware of the college scenario in India. In India campus recruitments are one of the most important factors considered in colleges. I agreed with some of the ad claims earlier, but i as someone who is very well versed with Indian colleges simply refuse to let this section be deleted from the college's space.

Its not an advertisement but showcases the levels of Industry-college partnership. The company list is not where people from NSIT might be working, its the list of companies which recruit directly from campus.

Also an advertisement claim makes no sense because the admission is not by interest but by the basis of a competitive test and ranks drawn after it. I also suggest you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability , exact quotes which i would like you to read is

1. Notability guidelines give guidance on whether a topic is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia as a separate article, but do not specifically regulate the content of articles, which is governed by other guidelines such as those on using reliable sources and on handling trivia. The particular topics and facts within an article are not each required to meet the standard of the notability guidelines.

2. The common theme in the notability guidelines is the requirement for verifiable objective evidence to support a claim of notability. Substantial coverage in reliable sources constitutes such objective evidence, as do published peer recognition and the other factors listed in the subject specific guidelines.

The campus recruitment has a substantial coverage in the official website and also various Indian publications which provide rankings to colleges.

Dont attack me, attack the article! Please dont accuse me of being ignorant of Indian colleges. By attacking me, you conveniently avoid the issues raised with this page. I'm saying this section is not notable because as you have indicated, the campus already has a website to provide this information. Wikipedia is not, and should not be, a campus guide that reiterates this information. Refer to some of the well written university articles on wikipedia and see how they are written. For example, many of the IIT pages are written in a neutral tone that emphasizes the universities history, significance and achievements. Finally, there is no third party verification of these campus recruitment information. Referring to your own webpage can hardly be considered verifiable and objective evidence. Bakashi10 14:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry if you felt it was a personal attack.

1. I dont or never did study in NSIT, but DCE . So i am a neutral person in this article, or even anti-NSIT as far as the rivalry between these two colleges goes. I am well aware of the stature of all these colleges being a part of the system myself.

2. No third party will ever verify campus recruitment information. The official website of a government owned college is a source reliable enough. Its not a dubious private college that it will fudge records. NSIT is owned by the Government of National Capital Territory of Delhi.

Unrelated : Also India has 'right to information' laws and any fudged information on official govt. sites can land you in Jail for a long time and make pockets lighter.

There is absolutely no doubt about using official websites as a verified source. Please give any information if you know the information is false or fudged.

Campus Recruitment III[edit]

As the above commentator said, the campus recruitment section is highly relevant and i agree with tusk4all (you should always sign your username, its hard to look it up via history). --Hmachine1 12:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Has i asked in what way are campus recruitment are important?. I hardly or never seen any great things. --SkyWalker 13:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Campus recruitment and bandying the name of current, past and potential recruiters and how successful the students are in the industry is a blatant attempt to attract new students and attempt to improve the college profile and portray a favourable image, which is essentially advertisement.It has no encyclopaedic value, and is not contributory. Wikipedia is not an advertising board. I agree withSkyWalker and Bakashi10 that this section should be deleted.
Incidentally, the "above commentator" mentioned by Hmachine1 created his or her account today, and has only made edits to two articles. I suspect this is a Sock puppet. Rueben lys 19:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
How is removing recruitment a vandalism?. Go ahead and report me. I can deal with it. They only articles which i see campus recruitments is only by indian colleges. Go and check other college which is located in USA and tell me if you see a campus recruitment. The consensus is delete --SkyWalker 20:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I refuse to be drawn into an edit war or a revert war, and skywalker has already reverted the article 3 times in 24 hours , i don't want his account blocked, so i am leaving this article to other editors, instead of providing a proper justification as to why he deleted the section, he just keeps reverting edits. I am sorry , but i really do find that behaviour unacceptable. As a neutral person, look at the edit summaries

"Removing.." "It will not be entered at all cost." "Removing Campus Recruitment it is not needed in Wikipedia"

As you mentioned, Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, if you cant have a proper discussion even, then what's the use , the edit summaries are at best childish and i am sorry "non-sense". Wikipedia allows everyone to edit, but one should not misuse this privilege.

And you say you see the section only in Indian colleges, i think that itself tells you that the topic might be relevant in the Indian context.

Also reverting is a VERY serious edit if you read official policies of wikipedia, and it should never be marked a minor edit which was done by Skywalker to all his edits.

In a saner place, i would have had a talk with people about deleting parts of the section, and keeping something relevant, deleting whole sections just because you feel like it without discussion is absolutely criminal.

--Hmachine1 04:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Campus recruitment IV[edit]

Hi all. I just came here in view of a message on my talk page which I am quoting below:

Quote
Could you check Netaji Subhas Institute of Technology and the talk page and the history page and tell should campus recruitment be entered or not?. I have deleted campus recruitment many times and this person Tusk4all and 1 ip edit keep reverting it. The reason why i delete was it is a usual college marketing and wikipedia is not the place for marketing. Has wikipedia is a encyclopedia. I will be waiting for your response in NSIT talk page and settle down this fights whether to keep the campus recruitment or not in the article. --SkyWalker 08:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps there is nothing about campus recruitment in one of the featured articles relating to the leading engineering institutions of India - Indian Institutes of Technology. Any one having even a little idea about the IITs must be aware of their brand values and the companies they draw for campus recruitment. Drawing a lesson from this featured article, I think that pages relating to colleges should not normally have any detailed information about campus recruitment. Our users may go to the website of particular college to learn more about the campus recruitment. --Bhadani (talk) 15:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Could you tell that in NSIT talk page?. --SkyWalker 18:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Unquote

In view of other commitments, it shall not be possible for me to enter into any discussion into the merit of my views. I request the editors involved to discuss the issue and decide the matter in the light of the fact that we are writing an encyclopedia and not an advertisement brochure. Regards. --Bhadani (talk) 14:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Again placements are not an advertisement, They are an important showcase of achievements and recognition of a college by the industry, i have reason to believe your perception is one sided.

Anyway, i am not touching this topic again (placements) with editors like SkyWalker still around to make haphazard changes without agreeing. Although i know i have the power to dispute his edit, but i will let it pass as i see he does that to a lot of Wiki pages and i am sure if proper consensus is not built before such edits , there will be a lot more disputes on his talk page.

But i do hope some other Editor adds the placements again so we can have a proper discussion instead one editor reverting changes and not discussing properly.--Hmachine1 17:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I had enough of your blame on me for no reason. It is you who is causing so much damage that along with your friends. If you have the power to dispute my edits go ahead i like to see what type of power you got. Showing me the disputed articles i caused. Has for now. I had enough of your lectures and your blame. You got way far too much. --SkyWalker 17:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure also i want to see lot of disputes on talk page go ahead. Half of them would be placements. Such has guys like you. Also i would love too see which editor will add placements again. Has it would still be advertisement. I see placement only been added in indian colleges. You know Hmachine1 you talked way a lot. I would love to see those three revert edits which was deemed vandalism. :). So far your blame on me will come up on you and those who add advertisement in wikipedia. --SkyWalker 17:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

One more thing before i leave. You are your friends might want to read the rules of wikipedia starting would be this one WP:NOT#SOAPBOX. DO know what you are violating?. I hope so not so let me tell you. The first rule. Using wikipedia has recruitments, the third one Self-promotion and the last is Advertising. Adding placements in the article violates this three rules. You and your friend are saying :-

Again placements are not an advertisement, They are an important showcase of achievements and recognition of a college by the industry, i have reason to believe your perception is one sided.

Ofcourse placements. Every engineering college in india have placements. It is not because of achievements and recognition given by industry it is purely for advertisements and giving jobs to people and how is this information revelant to wikipedia may i ask?.

And boy do i love your threats.

I refuse to be drawn into an edit war or a revert war, and skywalker has already reverted the article 3 times in 24 hours , i don't want his account blocked, so i am leaving this article to other editors, instead of providing a proper justification as to why he deleted the section, he just keeps reverting edits. I am sorry , but i really do find that behaviour unacceptable. As a neutral person, look at the edit summaries "Removing.." "It will not be entered at all cost." "Removing Campus Recruitment it is not needed in Wikipedia" As you mentioned, Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, if you cant have a proper discussion even, then what's the use , the edit summaries are at best childish and i am sorry "non-sense". Wikipedia allows everyone to edit, but one should not misuse this privilege. And you say you see the section only in Indian colleges, i think that itself tells you that the topic might be relevant in the Indian context. Also reverting is a VERY serious edit if you read official policies of wikipedia, and it should never be marked a minor edit which was done by Skywalker to all his edits. In a saner place, i would have had a talk with people about deleting parts of the section, and keeping something relevant, deleting whole sections just because you feel like it without discussion is absolutely criminal.

The only revert war you will doing is reverting advertisement which automatically make you valid for 3RR not me has you say. It is your behaviour which is totally unacceptable. I made those edit summaries because of readding placement over and over again and again. Those edit summaries are not childish nor nonsense due to your friends placements. The only nonsense which i feel is adding placements. Ofcourse i have read the official policies of wikipedia i added minor edit by default in preferences. I hardly see that minor edit neither i have the time to uncheck the minor edit to prevent edit conflict. You can keep the criminal to your part. :).

Signed,

SkyWalker 18:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I had enough of your blame on me for no reason. It is you who is causing so much damage that along with your friends. If you have the power to dispute my edits go ahead i like to see what type of power you got.

ROFL , any editor can dispute any edit, any editor can do it. And another thing, by asking an admin for his opinion on the matter you did a great thing, but let me tell you Admins are not the final authority on content, heck no one is until its an escalated issue.

I will only reply to this part, i really cant stand your words and i am in no mood to decipher your code language(Anglais). :P --Hmachine1 06:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Ofcourse you are not mood to respond. You are laughing will not get you any where. There is nothing to decipher everything is in a simple words and i really cant do anything if you cant take time and read it. Really if you cant stand then go away. --SkyWalker 11:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"he only revert war you will doing is reverting advertisement which automatically make you valid for 3RR not me has you say"

I dont know what i "will doing" , but please tell me what is an automatic validation for the 3RR ??? ,also any kind of tandem reverting is a revert war, even if its an advertisement in your opinion. And also criminal is a figure of speech, does not actually imply you are a thief.--202.91.67.14 06:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I made a few grammatical errors. Due to unfriendly type of words spoken by your friends. --SkyWalker 11:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Seriously i wasted so much time in arguing just for placements which you guys never bother to read wikipedia policy instead of bashing me up for my english. I admit everyone english is better and mine is worst :). --SkyWalker 11:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

forget it dude, none of us are english scholars --Hmachine1 12:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Finish This[edit]

Also lets end this matter here and now ! , please fellow editors, dont comment on this situation further :) and lets make Wikipedia a friendlier place.--Hmachine1 06:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hello all...

An image used in the article, specifically Image:Acad block.jpg, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.

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